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Posted on 8/4/20 at 6:16 am to Capstone2017
Posted on 8/4/20 at 6:16 am to Capstone2017
I said this last year when this garbage first got started and got mocked.
These kids are getting a free education that dads and moms save up to pay for. They eat the best meals and stay at the best hotels. They get get the best breakfast etc and get a chance to showcase their talent for the NFL draft.
I said a year ago that those thinking it’s time to pay these guys would open up a can of worms.
So look at the Pac12. You think that insanity stops there if they cave? You have no idea what is coming.
Do you think it stops there once they get some of this shite? Hell no it doesn’t and be prepared to pay $500 for a shitty seat.
Nobody is making these guys play, it’s a choice and again, free education that costs tens of thousands to average family. Best food, see the country, experience life like nobody that age gets, showcase your skills to make MILLIONS and even if not drafted, can play in other countries and make more than most.
You let this garbage happen as I predicted over a year ago and you just watch what happens.
These kids are getting a free education that dads and moms save up to pay for. They eat the best meals and stay at the best hotels. They get get the best breakfast etc and get a chance to showcase their talent for the NFL draft.
I said a year ago that those thinking it’s time to pay these guys would open up a can of worms.
So look at the Pac12. You think that insanity stops there if they cave? You have no idea what is coming.
Do you think it stops there once they get some of this shite? Hell no it doesn’t and be prepared to pay $500 for a shitty seat.
Nobody is making these guys play, it’s a choice and again, free education that costs tens of thousands to average family. Best food, see the country, experience life like nobody that age gets, showcase your skills to make MILLIONS and even if not drafted, can play in other countries and make more than most.
You let this garbage happen as I predicted over a year ago and you just watch what happens.
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 6:20 am to Bama _Brotha
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Oh the players will go play somewhere else and screw wazzu and any program who thinks likewise.
No other program can meet their demands either genius.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 6:24 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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Revenue Generators
The players arent the "revenue generators," the programs are, you can disagree all you want, doesn't make it any less true.
LSU is filling the stadium and generating money whether Brandon Harris, Danny Etling, Joe Burrow, or Myles Brennan is the quarterback.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:00 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Even IF you could get past the money thing, which you can’t in today’s world; the optics would be awful and there would be lawsuit after lawsuit.
You still have to meet the scholarship requirements, and you can’t if you pay the football players, there would be no money left!!! Unless you want your team traveling like the “Major League” Cleveland Indians....
See the other thing is the donors.. the real donors... they give to the Athletic program, and even though most assume it’s just for football it’s not... most of them have an interest in the non revenue sports... they go away, then so do the donors.. you don’t seem to understand there is a symbiotic relationship... The non revenue sports don’t exist without football, the school will lose its identity with only 1 sport being played.
It’s simple as every expert has said, the football players aren’t getting revenue sharing, period!
You still have to meet the scholarship requirements, and you can’t if you pay the football players, there would be no money left!!! Unless you want your team traveling like the “Major League” Cleveland Indians....
See the other thing is the donors.. the real donors... they give to the Athletic program, and even though most assume it’s just for football it’s not... most of them have an interest in the non revenue sports... they go away, then so do the donors.. you don’t seem to understand there is a symbiotic relationship... The non revenue sports don’t exist without football, the school will lose its identity with only 1 sport being played.
It’s simple as every expert has said, the football players aren’t getting revenue sharing, period!
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:03 am to TheSandman
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surely you understand basic negotiating tactics?
Surely you would expect the student athlete to respect the contract that he signed to be a student athlete.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:04 am to SidewalkTiger
That is absolutely true... it’s so much different than pro sports.. even though some Pro teams always sell a lot of tickets... If the Falcons suck you can hear a pin drop in MBS, if UGA is down, there stadium is still sold out!
It’s not about the players, it’s about the schools identity..
GT has fan problems , because a majority of their students and alumni just don’t like football, which is fine. But it’s not why they attract students.
It’s not about the players, it’s about the schools identity..
GT has fan problems , because a majority of their students and alumni just don’t like football, which is fine. But it’s not why they attract students.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:23 am to PeeJayScammedGT
You don’t think so in your learned capacity.
Every argument I’ve watched experts discuss, it always comes back to if you pay one college athlete , you have to pay them all! They are all on the same page there is no way around it... just because you think you can , doesn’t make it so.
But besides that there is agreement made... when you sign a scholarship...
The Athletic Dept agrees to ..
pay for your tuition, books, room, power, water, heat, AC, cable, food, provide to you all benefits given to your teammates, travel to games, a chance to play your sport., and a 4K avg stipen, and provide academic tudors, and athletic training facilities
The players agree to..
Stay academically eligible
Practice and Play their sport at their highest level
No where does the brochure say come play football and make 200K a year.... it’s not a hidden thing, you don’t like the offer. Then don’t play! No one is forcing you.
It’s like going to GT, you work your bit off. You get a Job with Boeing, they offer you 100K salary. You agree. A year later you demand to get 50% of the profit.
It’s a capitalist society, those who make the financial investment, hire the talent, make the choices, take the risks, get the profit. It doesn’t mean because you work there you get half. The investors made a choice by hiring you and you decided to come there for what they were offering. Just because you now want half isnt their problem, leave!
Every argument I’ve watched experts discuss, it always comes back to if you pay one college athlete , you have to pay them all! They are all on the same page there is no way around it... just because you think you can , doesn’t make it so.
But besides that there is agreement made... when you sign a scholarship...
The Athletic Dept agrees to ..
pay for your tuition, books, room, power, water, heat, AC, cable, food, provide to you all benefits given to your teammates, travel to games, a chance to play your sport., and a 4K avg stipen, and provide academic tudors, and athletic training facilities
The players agree to..
Stay academically eligible
Practice and Play their sport at their highest level
No where does the brochure say come play football and make 200K a year.... it’s not a hidden thing, you don’t like the offer. Then don’t play! No one is forcing you.
It’s like going to GT, you work your bit off. You get a Job with Boeing, they offer you 100K salary. You agree. A year later you demand to get 50% of the profit.
It’s a capitalist society, those who make the financial investment, hire the talent, make the choices, take the risks, get the profit. It doesn’t mean because you work there you get half. The investors made a choice by hiring you and you decided to come there for what they were offering. Just because you now want half isnt their problem, leave!
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:30 am to GusAU
"The silence is deafening", go frick yourself. I hope the University doesn't explain shite.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:52 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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$50K to $60K Stipends for FB & MBB, which would be in addition bro their full scholly
Most players aren’t worth close to that much. Sorry
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:14 am to SidewalkTiger
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No other program can meet their demands either genius.
Even if no other program can meet their demands they can leave and go elsewhere and also put the word out among Recruits coming up thru the pipeline to ignore Wash St
At the end of the day, Wash St "won the battle, but lost the War", they'll never Recruit well and will recruit even worse than they have historically
Think about how many talented Black Athletes that the Mississippi Schools have lost over the years due to that State's legacy from 1900 to let's say 1964, those colleges in those other States might not have been any better than the Mississippi schools in reality, but the "perception" among Black Recruits has been "no fricking way I'm gonna spend my College years in fricking Mississippi"
I can remember Recruits like Clinton Portis, whose father & other male relatives told him whatever you do, don't play your College Career anywhere in the State of Mississippi
What that Wash St HC has done, is he has branded Wash St in a negative way, combined with the power of Social Media ---- Wash State's issues related to what this HC has done will live on for a long time
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:25 am to lsufball19
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Most players aren’t worth close to that much. Sorry
You're beyond stupid!
Those Revenue Athletes in FB & MBB generate 90% plus of all the Revenues that pay the salaries of every Six-Figure Admin in the Athl Dept, every Six-Figure Coach in the Athl Dept, and every partial scholly for every NonRev Male Athlete & for every Title-IX Athlete
The truth is they are likely worth a lot more money given the impact they have on the local economies in combination to providing the Financing for all those people I listed above
When the thought of losing this season due to CV19 was talked about earlier, everyone was talking about the Tens of Millions of dollars lost to to the local economies and the Tens of Millions of dollars lost by the Athl Depts, now when it is time to discuss paying the Players' larger stipends, they aren't even worth an extra $6 Million spread among the 100 Revenue Athletes
Either you're full of shite, a fricking liar, or a the biggest hypocrite in the World, take your pick
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:34 am to 3rddownonthe8
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It’s like going to GT, you work your bit off. You get a Job with Boeing, they offer you 100K salary. You agree. A year later you demand to get 50% of the profit.
No that's not the same with me going to GT
85 regular students at GT HAVE NEVER generated $50 Million every yr in Tv-Radio Money for the Athl Dept that enriches dozens of people
No one said that 50% of Conference Revenue was fair, it was a too high -- crazy arse opening bid, by my calculations set aside $6 million for enhanced stipends and pay them $60K per year on top of that full scholly, based on their Revenue generation and their impact on the local economies a $60K stipend is peanuts
Based on some of the comments & replies , I wonder what industry employs some of these people
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:36 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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pay them $60K per year on top of that full scholly, based on their Revenue generation and their impact on the local economies a $60K stipend is peanuts
Who gets paid that? All football and basketball players?
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:49 am to PeeJayScammedGT
WSU will be a small footnote if most/all of the colleges and conferences follow suit. Armytide373 said it best. The game is bigger than the player.
I think the PAC 10 players had some good ideas, but it will all be for not if revenue sharing and 6 years of health insurance are required. The unintended consequences are too great for the conferences to cave.
I think the PAC 10 players had some good ideas, but it will all be for not if revenue sharing and 6 years of health insurance are required. The unintended consequences are too great for the conferences to cave.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 9:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Heater is what your missing.. these guys aren’t generating the money. The TV contracts are decided in advanced. No athlete can be said they generate anything in 2-3 years of playing time.. because no one is turning in to watch 120 football players, there are some that will turn into watch 1-4 certain players on a given team, but most that watch are fans of the school , not certain players. Why should a backup kicker get 60K.. that’s ridiculous. And to act like every player is helping generate that it’s crazy. The players don’t deserve that much, especially once NLI goes into play. Do you really think some company is going to offer money to an OL to to sponsorship. No way.. and if they won’t then that tells you this players are generating the money. This whole thing was started by 3 Cal players that will never play JM the NFL, and they want a money grab.
If Fields and TL can get a million this year from Gatorade , so be it... but how many players will get those kind of offers or anything close... 20 maybe out of 130 teams...
The HC and schools themselves generate the money by their following.. most don’t care who the players are because they are out of the spotlight in 45 games if they are worth it.
You want to give the players 1k a month , all athletes.. fine. You should be able have a pretty good college exp on that considering everything is paid for.. but the life changing should come from the degree they earn.. there are pro leagues that pay for play..
If Fields and TL can get a million this year from Gatorade , so be it... but how many players will get those kind of offers or anything close... 20 maybe out of 130 teams...
The HC and schools themselves generate the money by their following.. most don’t care who the players are because they are out of the spotlight in 45 games if they are worth it.
You want to give the players 1k a month , all athletes.. fine. You should be able have a pretty good college exp on that considering everything is paid for.. but the life changing should come from the degree they earn.. there are pro leagues that pay for play..
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:04 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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85 regular students at GT HAVE NEVER generated $50 Million every yr in Tv-Radio Money for the Athletic Dept that enriches dozens of people
georgia teet's athletic department operated at a 9.6 million dollar deficit last year you phucking moron, so should we just send those 85 "students" a bill? that's 113,000 a piece how did you want them to pay that? we don't take checks!
georgia teet hasn't been relevant in football since bobby dodd and you're an imbecile!
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:16 am to 3rddownonthe8
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It’s a capitalist society, those who make the financial investment, hire the talent, make the choices, take the risks, get the profit. It doesn’t mean because you work there you get half. The investors made a choice by hiring you and you decided to come there for what they were offering. Just because you now want half isnt their problem, leave!
Please detail the financial investment that Saban and these other $9 million HCs made in their Athl Depts?
College Sports isn't like a traditional business
I never said the Players should get half, get off of that, that's just an ask, you keep ignoring the $5 billion that the Power5 grosses from FB each year, and you also are ignoring the fact that there needs to be a more fair distribution of the Revenue for the Athletes that generate the lions share of that money
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:19 am to SidewalkTiger
quote:hell yeah
Who gets paid that? All football and basketball players?
They're the only Athletes that generate any money at the Power5 level
85 scholly FB players and 13 MBB players
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:25 am to 3rddownonthe8
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Even IF you could get past the money thing, which you can’t in today’s world; the optics would be awful and there would be lawsuit after lawsuit.
What are the optics on HCs getting $9 million per year, where are the lawsuits?
Folks complain about me wanting to set aside $6 million for the guys doing all the work on the field, yet say nothing about the insane inflation in Coaching pay
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:38 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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ignoring the fact that there needs to be a more fair distribution of the Revenue for the Athletes that generate the lions share of that money
but in the case of georgia teet football is losing money....
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After running a $9.6 million deficit in the 2019 fiscal year due in part to the football coaching transition, the athletic department is projected to stay in the red again — this time a $1.7
AJC
please to explain comrade?
by the way captain dumbphuck georgia teet was expecting an increase in revenue in 2020. do you think that's going to happen now with......"muh covid!" yeah i don't think so and neither does the administration.
i guarantee you there have been talks of dropping football and going all in in mens basketball because football has been the huge revenue drain and the ACC is a basketball conference.
so when you talk about the all the revenue generated by "college football" we're not really in this "thing" all together so to speak. georgia teet's revenue problems are kinda a "you" thing not a "we" thing. only 44 athletic departments last year turned a profit last year.
i can't believe that someone who pretends to have graduated from georgia teet doesn't know the difference between gross revenue and net profit.
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