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re: BOOM! WSU's Response To Players That Support PAC-12 Player's Demands

Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by MeatPants
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:27 pm to
Im going to tell you right now. Zion Williamson made more money going to Duke for one year than he would have ever made being in the fricking D league

There is no way he gets the biggest shoe deal of all time without the free marketing of playing for Duke and games people actually cared about.

No fricking way he gets that deal after one year at the Tacoma red raiders G-league horseshite
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:28 pm to
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I don't know why this hasn't already happened and when it does CFB will see 15000 people max at a UGA / Alabama game. The product would be far better.


There is absolutely ZERO chance that an UGA/Bama game with primarily 3-star and some 4-stars with an occasional 5-star would attract less than 80,000 at either stadium. The passion would be every bit as it would have been last year.

As far as the product, there is no way there would be enough interest in ANY minor league team that would ever rival VANDY’S fan base.

NO ONE who attended any school that they are a fan of would prefer ANY minor league team EVER over their school.

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Seriously...imagine the top 80 recruits from Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia on the same team, say in Birmingham, playing similar teams from other regions.....those games would be great in a few years and with some money to attract coaching talent etc.

Again, there would NEVER be 80 top recruits that would forgo a college scholarship and EVERYTHING that comes with it (worth well over $200,000) over four years TAX FREE and playing in front of 70,000-100,000 fans per game just to make $30,000-$50,000 tops (probably less) per year and play in front of 500-15,000 fans at BEST...especially if they played on Saturdays against CFB. Then, they have to pay taxes on that money and provide their own housing and maybe health insurance.

NO MINOR LEAGUE would ever threaten College Football.


CFB is now a minor league for the NFL. The difference would be the free labor of the players and the requirement to fund the rest of the schools AD. ESPN doesn't give a tinkers damn if the name is UGA or simply the Georgia Minor League Football Club. The money is already in place, the labor is in place, the market is already in place....its only a matter of time.

Why hasn't it already happened? Because the players have, until recently, accepted the status quo. That is changing in the PAC 12 as we speak. In the not so distant future either PAC 12 teams will play one of these minor league teams, and get PASTED, or they will avoid doing so...either way the PAC 12 in its current manifestation will prove to be a lower quality product.

This is not even considering the NFL getting involved...being involved in the process like MLB is minor league baseball will only hasten the demise of CFB. I know some will claim college baseball is more popular than minor league baseball but the glaring difference is college baseball is not self supporting....the money is already in place in CFB.

The only way to slow the train down is for the free labor to be reimbursed accordingly....that will only slow down the inevitable, it will not prevent it from happening. Saturday football is a REAL thing....the market is there, the labor is there and the money is there...its only a matter of time. Going to the moon was laughable until man went to the moon .....
Posted by MeatPants
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:34 pm to
no one cares about minor league baseball or minor league basketball now

and no one is going to care about minor league football period

Im sorry but you are dead wrong on this Gtmo. Dead wrong and if the minor league football is not funded by the NFL then it wont even last a couple of years at the most
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:40 pm to
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Im going to tell you right now. Zion Williamson made more money going to Duke for one year than he would have ever made being in the fricking D league

There is no way he gets the biggest shoe deal of all time without the free marketing of playing for Duke and games people actually cared about.

No fricking way he gets that deal after one year at the Tacoma red raiders G-league horseshite


Basketball is another animal all the way around. While it is self supporting at many schools it is not in the same manner that football is at football schools. More importantly is entirely possible for a basketball player to play in high school this fall and the NBA next fall....very few football players are capable of this...they require a couple of years of conditioning to be physically capable of competing in the NFL and are required for the most part to do three years....basketball players leave after one. College basketball is even more of a minor league for the NBA than CFB is for the NFL with the caveat that the money is not as great and players can be paid what they are worth in 12 months not 36.
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 4:47 pm to
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no one cares about minor league baseball or minor league basketball now

and no one is going to care about minor league football period

Im sorry but you are dead wrong on this Gtmo. Dead wrong and if the minor league football is not funded by the NFL then it wont even last a couple of years at the most




I agree...but when the NFL sees conditions are right CFB as we know is done. Again, the market is there, the labor is there and the money is there. It is only a matter of time.

Imagine the difference in 2-3 years of NFL financed conditioning, and tying player engagement into the salary in the 2-3 year period and the athletes which would result at 21 years of age would be unimaginable. Today college players are only "enocuraged" to condition at a level that isn't remotely close to what a professional athlete does. CFB is already a NFL minor league...its only a matter of time before the NFL foregoes the university system and collects that money for themselves. The money is there, the market is there and the labor is there...it is inevitable UNLESS CFB stops financing lacrosse and starts paying CFB a salary commensurate with their production.
Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 5:20 pm to
What money will the nfl collect. They aren’t going to collect jack shite from a minor league system. It will cost them money. You need to get it out. Of your head that the same tv contracts will be given to a minor league football system.

No chance. No way. No how

Because no one is going to care. There are literally a bunch of examples already to show you

And I’m not arguing what’s better for the player the nfl or the college. That’s for everyone else to argue

I. Just telling you there won’t any a tenth of interest of football goes to a minor league system

March madness is till the most followed sporting event in this country and college basketball is watered down to almost nothing. No one cares about this great developmental d league. Nobody
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 5:26 pm to
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What money will the nfl collect. They aren’t going to collect jack shite from a minor league system. It will cost them money. You need to get it out. Of your head that the same tv contracts will be given to a minor league football system.



Those TV contracts are already owned by a NFL minor league...CFB. The market is there, the money is there and the labor is there....it is only a matter of time and opportunity before the NFL makes a move and those contracts are theirs. It ain't gonna happen in 3 years but 30? Could be....
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 6:22 pm to
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The market is there


This is only true due to the loyalty of fans of their respective universities. You take that away and the market falls apart. At least that's the way it would be for me. I'm still watching UGA football no matter who the players are. I won't give a shite about any NFL minor league and won't watch it.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:06 pm to
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Im going to tell you right now. Zion Williamson made more money going to Duke for one year than he would have ever made being in the fricking D league

There is no way he gets the biggest shoe deal of all time without the free marketing of playing for Duke and games people actually cared about.

No fricking way he gets that deal after one year at the Tacoma red raiders G-league horseshite

It goes BOTH WAYS, talented players like Zion and those that came before him made ACC MBB a premium TV Entertainment Product, that helped Duke and the ACC Schools get a premium TV deal which led to Duke being a must see item

I'll give you an example to show how the Players' Talents drive everything:

Remember when ESPN used to have "Big Monday" where they would televise 2 Big East MBB Games at 7pm & 9pm every Monday, it was must see Sports TV

Before Big Monday no one gave a damn about those Big East Schools, folks only cared about those teams after they made it to March Madness

But thanks to Big Monday & TV ---- the Conference started to bring in Elite Talent and for about 25 years they out recruited the SEC, Big 8 back then(now the Big12), the Big Ten and some years they would out Recruit the ACC

It was due to TV and the players --- before Big Monday and the Elite Talent that followed the TV Money ---- Big East Games were played in crappy on-Campus "Gyms" built in the friggin 1940s, after Big Monday and the Elite Talent almost every Big East Game was in the nearby NBA Arena or the Carrier Dome

Sorry pal, but too many example exist that prove that TV exposure & Talent drive everything, no one gave a damn about the "name" Georgetown MBB until they signed Pat Ewing and all those McDonald's AA's out of the Baltimore Area

All you folks thinking it is the name of the School or the Big name HC that generates all the money & ratings are crazy
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:28 pm to
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please to explain comrade?

by the way captain dumbphuck georgia teet was expecting an increase in revenue in 2020. do you think that's going to happen now with......"muh covid!" yeah i don't think so and neither does the administration.

i guarantee you there have been talks of dropping football and going all in in mens basketball because football has been the huge revenue drain and the ACC is a basketball conference.

so when you talk about the all the revenue generated by "college football" we're not really in this "thing" all together so to speak. georgia teet's revenue problems are kinda a "you" thing not a "we" thing. only 44 athletic departments last year turned a profit last year.

i can't believe that someone who pretends to have graduated from georgia teet doesn't know the difference between gross revenue and net profit

All that means is that GT cannot pay stipends

But I'm not an a-hole like you, and I won't hold back those colleges that can pay, just because some cannot pay

Any P5 college that cannot pay is due to this bullshite concept of forced welfare where Revenue Producers are forced to subsidize those that NEVER make any attempt to turn a profit or get "close" to break-even
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:37 pm to
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So you're paying a senior, Heisman contender, starting quarterback the same as a third string true freshman safety?

Surely no one will bitch about that.


Also, who sets this pay scale? If its just a flat number, someone like Alabama will find it a lot easier to pay a certain number than Baylor.

Why are you taking more of Baylor's money (percentage wise) than Alabama's?

If its not a set scale, then players are just going to the highest bidder.

Why are you so ignorant as to how CFB works?

Under the current system, all scholly players even the STARS get the same food, same book allowance, same CoA Stipend

Under my proposal of larger stipends, the stipend is attached to the full scholly so the players know going in that everything is EQUAL among those 85 that have schollies, this is no different than the current system, Star players don't get better food or a different Book allowance, the only thing different is the Pell Grant adjustment and that is based on poverty level

You had to be drunk to type that shite above not realizing that the current system already treats Stars the same a backups, and maybe if your dumbass would stop calling a fricking stipend a Salary then you'd know that the stars would accept things being equal to backups, because they accept that system now

Geezus effin' .....
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52349 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:39 pm to
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Why are you so ignorant as to how CFB works?

Under the current system, all scholly players even the STARS get the same food, same book allowance, same CoA Stipend

Under my proposal of larger stipends, the stipend is attached to the full scholly so the players know going in that everything is EQUAL among those 85 that have schollies, this is no different than the current system, Star players don't get better food or a different Book allowance, the only thing different is the Pell Grant adjustment and that is based on poverty level

You had to be drunk to type that shite above not realizing that the current system already treats Stars the same a backups, and maybe if your dumbass would stop calling a fricking stipend a Salary then you'd know that the stars would accept things being equal to backups, because they accept that system now

Geezus effin' .....


And they're bitching about the current system...
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:43 pm to
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LSU is filling the stadium and generating money whether Brandon Harris, Danny Etling, Joe Burrow, or Myles Brennan is the quarterback.

This is bullshite and you know it is bullshite

Swap out Tulane's 85 scholly FB Players for LSUs and do it fir multiple seasons where there is no surprise, do it where the Fans going into the season know they have shitty Tulane talent wearing LSUs Uniforms

That attendance will drop like a rock

You're mentioning different names of well regarded players, go from Joe Burrow to Joey Bag o Donuts for 5 seasons and watch the money & interest drop
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52349 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:51 pm to
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LSU is filling the stadium and generating money whether Brandon Harris, Danny Etling, Joe Burrow, or Myles Brennan is the quarterback.


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This is bull shite and you know it is bullshite




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Swap out Tulane's 85 scholly FB Players for LSUs and do it fir multiple seasons where there is no surprise, do it where the Fans going into the season know they have shitty Tulane talent wearing LSUs Uniforms

That attendance will drop like a rock


If LSU has Tulane's players playing against Alabama then sure.

If LSU has Tulane's players and Alabama has UAB's then no.

You're simply delusional if you think otherwise.

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You're mentioning different names of well regarded players




Nevermind you're retarded as hell.


Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2568 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 7:58 pm to
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You're mentioning different names of well regarded players, go from Joe Burrow to Joey Bag o Donuts for 5 seasons and watch the money & interest drop


That probably depends on the parity between teams. If all the teams are playing less than elite talent and are all on equal footing, then the games will still be competitive and entertaining. Fan loyalty is still a huge draw.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52349 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:01 pm to
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If all the teams are playing less than elite talent and are all on equal footing, then the games will still be competitive and entertaining. Fan loyalty is still a huge draw.


It doesnt understand that.

If people couldn't handle watching lesser talent everyone would only watch the NFL.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:03 pm to
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If LSU has Tulane's players and Alabama has UAB's then no

If Tulane vs UAB draws very little interest due to lack of talent and lack of excitement, that same uninspiring, untalented group if FB players aren't going to magically draw "College Gameday" and pack 100K in the stadium just because they are wearing different colors, LSU unis & Bama unis aren't the draw you think they are , it's the Talent inside the Unis

Tenn has been losing recently and the talent & excitement have been crappy and there have been a lot of empty seats in Neyland
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:09 pm to
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That probably depends on the parity between teams. If all the teams are playing less than elite talent and are all on equal footing, then the games will still be competitive and entertaining. Fan loyalty is still a huge draw.

If low talent vs low talent were such a draw, then lower level Cupcakes wouldn't need to play sacrificial lamb, get your teeth kicked in, money games to balance their budgets

They would simply play a full sked of Teams in their Level, and rake in the Profits from sellout & TV Contracts, since folks LOVE watching low level Talent that is evenly matched and entertaining

The TV Execs gave already voted with their checkbooks and they agree with me, it is all about the Talent Level of the PLAYERS
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64488 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:10 pm to
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Tenn has been losing recently and the talent & excitement have been crappy and there have been a lot of empty seats in Neyland


As terrible as Tennessee has been they still have been averaging over 90k people a game. How has Tulane’s attendance been the last 50 years? Tenn averaged 95k+ when they went 0-8 in the SEC. they averaged over 100k the year prior. They’ve averaged fewer than 90k/game just twice the past 40 years. So, once again, you’re way off the mark.


You’re never going to win this argument of yours the past week because you’re just wrong.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 8:11 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52349 posts
Posted on 8/4/20 at 8:13 pm to
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If Tulane vs UAB draws very little interest due to lack of talent and lack of excitement, that same uninspiring, untalented group if FB players aren't going to magically draw "College Gameday" and pack 100K in the stadium just because they are wearing different colors, LSU unis & Bama unis aren't the draw you think they are , it's the Talent inside the Unis


Tulane and UAB dont have the fanbase size that LSU and Alabama do, fanbase has nothing to do with talent.

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Tenn has been losing recently and the talent & excitement have been crappy and there have been a lot of empty seats in Neyland





Exactly.

They've been losing.
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