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re: Bold prediction on UGA
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:35 am to Smokeyone
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:35 am to Smokeyone
You try so very hard to downplay UGA. "blind luck, injuries and scheduling..."
I'm sorry dude, but you and this BBQRick guy are a couple of real village idiots. You can try to downplay Bennett, who by the way threw for over 4000+ yds last season and won MVP in 2 NC games, but the fact is, he mopped the floor with UT. So, say whatever you want. He got results. He won. UGA is more talented than UT and we will always be more talented than UT. Our OL and DL have superior size, talent and depth and we are going to continue to dominate. So, downplay all you want. Nothing is going to change on the field and that's all that matters.
I'm sorry dude, but you and this BBQRick guy are a couple of real village idiots. You can try to downplay Bennett, who by the way threw for over 4000+ yds last season and won MVP in 2 NC games, but the fact is, he mopped the floor with UT. So, say whatever you want. He got results. He won. UGA is more talented than UT and we will always be more talented than UT. Our OL and DL have superior size, talent and depth and we are going to continue to dominate. So, downplay all you want. Nothing is going to change on the field and that's all that matters.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 4:12 pm
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Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:39 am to Smokeyone
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Bennett and UGAs WRs wouldn’t see the field at 90% of D1 schools.
Jesus.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:40 am to Smokeyone
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But the downside of that style of play is that when you really needed strong QB play it’s just not there. SEC title game vs Bama comes to mind.
UGA needed 4th quarter comebacks in 2 playoff games and Bennett delivered. Why does the SECC count but not those games? You seem fairly biased unless you think the SECC is more important than a playoff game and a natty.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 10:42 am
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:41 am to Smokeyone
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The Bennett thing is odd, the group think posters want to believe he can make all the throws, was a top 5 QB in the nation in 2022(meansony made the claim again in this discussion) but reality is he is short for the position and lacks the arm or athleticism to mitigate his height.
I made the top 5 QB claim prior to the 2021 national championship game.
QB efficiency was my arguing point (stetson was top 5 nationally because he was extremely successful throwing over the top on defenses in man coverage).
May I ask... who was the MVP of the 2021 National Championship game? You may recall highlights throwing over top of the defense in man coverage.
Further evidence to top 5 college QB is the 4 total post season MVPs.
2 national championships.
Heisman invite.
He was the 7th QB drafted in the NFL for 2023 (despite his height/weight).
Stetson finished the 2022 season with 4,332 total yards and 37 total TDs.
That production is despite getting leads on teams and sucking the clock in the 2nd half (i.e. 16 straight runs from scrimmage in the SECCG).
But hey... I'm odd according to Smokey. I have an argument. I support it with facts. And the following season proofed me as correct.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:43 am to BBQRick
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We've seen what Heupel can do with a patchwork roster of left overs from the Pruitt eea mixed with just a handful of his guys. Let him get some more classes under his belt and you will see a steady improvement.
We went 11-2 last year. He is bringing in plenty enough of his talent to win.
When we beat UGA in Neyland this tear will you still say he can't recruit well? Recruits are coming. Make no mistake. Last year was only year two
Tennessee has turned the corner and is heading in the right direction, the bastards. That being said comparing Heupel as a recruiter in his first 2 years at UT should be concerning for UT fans if winning SEC titles and natty's is the goal.
The year before Smart was hired UGA had the 6th rated class. Smart's first year UGA had the 3rd rated class. The next year UGA had the #1 class. In Smart's second year. He has since had the 2,1,4,3, and 3 and is on track to have the #1 class in 2024. Heupel has had the #17 and #10 class in his first two years. The difference is night and day between 3 and 1 in the first 2 years and 17 and 10 in the first two years. The fact that LSU and Alabama are right there are ahead of UGA in that period means UT is, at best, #4 in the conference in recruiting and divisions are going away. Mark Richt teams were 6-8 every year...and UGA had a very consistent record but could not win a natty. Thats what having the #5 best class in the nation but the third best in the conference will get you. Heupel may prove to be as good as Saban and Smart at recruiting...he hasn't proven it yet. As a means of reference Saban had the #1 class in each of his first 2 years at Alabama and was #6 and #4 his first two years at LSU. Heupel was #17 and #10 his first 2 years.
And while it is too early to tell in 2024 he is currently on pace to sign the 8th best class, 3rd currently in the conference behind UGA and Florida. FLorida. Imagine that...Heupel has done a helluva job, no doubt, but the arc is more of a Mark Richt arc than Nick Saban arc or even a Kirby Smart arc...
Posted on 7/31/23 at 10:57 am to 3rddownonthe8
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This right here.. the 2024 class..
UTK has 4 OL and 3 DL
UGA has 6 OL and 5 DL..
I'm not even referencing the 2024 class.
It is the 2022 and 2023 classes that will be needed for this season and next.
I don't follow Tennessee recruiting. A Tennessee fan should be telling me that what I read online is wrong.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:10 pm to BBQRick
And yet without Monken or Stetson Bennett we managed to play for a National Championship in 2017.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:12 pm to NotImber
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Burrow is a franchise NFL QB. Stetson was a good college QB, but he's likely a career back up in the NFL.
This is reasonable. I was surprised to find Bennett being compared to Joe Burrow, too. Love what Bennett did for Georgia, but he should not be compared t Burrow.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:47 pm to Smokeyone
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Except the UGA group think posters. They really believe McConkey is a good WR. Reality is he’s a possession WR that should be the 4th or 5th guy in a rotation. And UGA has no production from the position outside of him. And any talented WRs that go to UGA just disappear off the stat sheet while at UGA. Case in point AJ Green or George Pickens. Both are very talented and when healthy had or should have very solid NFL careers but were just did not have outstanding production at UGA.
Where do you see McConkey drafted?
1) A possession receiver his size in college does not get drafted
2) he is not a possession receiver. Lol. I don't expect you to watch UGA games when we don't play Tennessee. But it should be very apparent in the UGA vs UT games that McConkey is not a possession receiver.
Possession receivers don't shake man coverage over the top. Possession receivers don't get YAC.
McConkey caught 5 passes for 94 yards including a TD. His out and up torched your CB in the 1sr quarter for that score (he did that over and over and over the past 2 seasons).
He totaled 42 yards after the catch.
Go ahead and predict where he goes in the 2024 draft.
He hits 23 mph on the GPS.
He is sub 4.4 on the 40.
He significantly improved his play strength in 2022 vs 2021. And spring/summer talk is that he has taken another step forward for 2023.
He is a weapon both against man and zone. His route tree is pretty much anything that can be done at the Y and Z position.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:12 pm to Smokeyone
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They really believe McConkey is a good WR. Reality is he’s a possession WR that should be the 4th or 5th guy in a rotation.
Btw, that guy covering him 1-1 on that play is being hyped as your top corner this coming year. Godspeed, sir.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:17 pm to meansonny
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From what I'm hearing, Pruitt gave you your offensive and defensive lines. Heupel isn't pulling in the same quality player in the trenches (solid quality at QB/WR, etc..).
Pruitt didn’t really do much and most of what he did bailed when he was fired for cause.
2020
OT A Nichols back up C
OT M Reddick 3rd RG 3*
IOL S Herring not in listed
OT B Grant 3rd LT
OT M Clipper 3rd LG
OT G Mincey starting RT
2023
OT S Umarov 4th LT
OT L Johnson III
OT V Lang 4th LG
OT A Bussell 4th RG
OT J Campbell JR 1 or 2 LT
OT A Karic 2nd RG
So 6 OLine both recruiting years
2023
DT T West
DT J Phillips
DT J Jenkins
2023
DT D Hobbs
DT D Weathersby
DT N Robinson
DT O Norman-Lott
I didn’t include DEs in the recruiting because they tend to end up as OLBs. While Dline depth isn’t at the 12 Guy rotation I believe they will need, they do have 7-9 guys they can feel comfortable putting out there.
2024 has 5 Oline guys and 3 DTs committed at this point.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:21 pm to meansonny
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1) A possession receiver his size in college does not get drafted
I'll disagree with you on this.
McConkey projects as a NFL possession receiver. At UGA he is able to play at all 3 WR spots successfully, and he's not a slow guy (we run him on reverses and jet sweeps because of his speed and elusiveness).
But in the NFL he projects as a guy who catches things in traffic and makes things happen as opposed to an outside deep threat or jump ball WR. He's also got the added benefit of having use in the return game.
Yes, he's got speed. He's a 10.8 100 meter guy and low 4.5's in the 40. But his elusiveness is what makes him a good WR which probably means a slot possession guy in the NFL.
He's probably a 3rd or 4th round draft pick. If he runs fast enough he could go sooner. Zac Flowers was a 1st rounder as a projected slot possession WR. Jayden Reed was a second rounder. Nathaniel Dell was a 3rd rounder. Those are all possession guys at the NFL level.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:41 pm to Smokeyone
I'm no Tennessee expert so I will trust your opinion.
Is Tennessee improved on the OL for 2023 vs 2022?
Improved on the DL for 2023 vs 2022?
The names you listed mean something to you (not me. I'm not aware of any of those names high on our recruiting board at the time).
Is Tennessee improved on the OL for 2023 vs 2022?
Improved on the DL for 2023 vs 2022?
The names you listed mean something to you (not me. I'm not aware of any of those names high on our recruiting board at the time).
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:49 pm to meansonny
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Where do you see McConkey drafted?
A 5th-UDFA is his most likely spot, and if drafted it will be because UGAs success not anything he has done so far.
192 in all purpose yards *15 games
93 in receiving yards * 15 games
153 in yards per game
6’ 180 pounds with inconsistent hands just isn’t an WR1 or WR2 or a slot guy that is going to stand out.
He’s smart, has nice speed, needs to work on the jugs and add weight/strength to add value.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:52 pm to Smokeyone
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As an aside, have you considered renting a hooker?
It was more fun beating a hooker senseless last November.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:53 pm to BranchDawg
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Btw, that guy covering him 1-1 on that play is being hyped as your top corner this coming year.
That’s not the flex you hope it is. Every DB gets burnt every now and then. And Tennessee’s DBs were burned regularly.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:55 pm to VADawg
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It was more fun beating a hooker senseless last November.
DJ with have to take your word on that. Dudes in his 40s and the closest he’s had to sex was his mom birthing him.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:59 pm to BBQRick
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and caught lightening in a bottle
Is the pot calling the kettle black?
At least UGA "caught lightning in a bottle" and parlayed that into 2 national titles. The Vols caught lightning in a bottle and all they got was a #1 ranking for 4 days and their asses kicked by UGA and South Carolina.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:16 pm to Smokeyone
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192 in all purpose yards *15 games
93 in receiving yards * 15 games
153 in yards per game
6’ 180 pounds with inconsistent hands just isn’t an WR1 or WR2 or a slot guy that is going to stand out.
This is a really blind way to grade talent for the NFL. Most reasonable people can realize that teams with depth tend to spread the ball around rather than focus on one or two players. Scouts instead of looking at stats look at what the players do when on the field. It's how scouts knew AJ Green and George Pickens were good despite lack of "wow" statlines... and why guys with good stat lines from systems that produce that despite player ability sometimes get drafted lower (like Zay Flowers, a possession WR being drafted in the first round from BC with 1077 yards while Jalen Hyatt went in the 3rd with 1267 yards).
What McConkey has going for him is the following:
1 - reportedly has very good straight line speed. Will likely run in the high 4.4's to low 4.5's.
2 - Excellent downfield blocker.
3 - Fearless at catching passes in traffic across the middle and able to take hits and hold on to the ball.
4 - Experienced return man.
5 - Great quickness and ability to make people miss in space.
His negatives:
1 - Not as tall as teams would like for an outside WR (though he's taller than many slot guys).
2 - Early last year he dropped a fair amount of "easy" catches (while making the hard ones). Seemed to clean that up as the season went on. Seemed to be looking to start to run before securing the catch.
Despite the fact he likely won't get a 1000 yards recieving this season either, he'll likely be a 3rd round pick with a good 40 time (4th if it's over 4.49). While he won't run a 4.4 like Hyatt, he's a return man (Hyatt wasn't), a plus blocker, and fits in as a faster/larger slot presence rather than a too small outside only player.
Most draft projections done after the 2023 season have him going in the top 100... some in the top 50. He's not viewed the way you do, because you seem to focus on statistics rather than film performance.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:25 pm to DawginSC
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I'll disagree with you on this
We can agree to disagree.
It sounds like semantics (we don't agree on what a possession receiver is).
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McConkey doesn't play the X spot. Ever. So he doesn't play all 3 positions at UGA.
2) I never said he was a jump ball receiver (again, he has never taken a snap at the X spot)
3) the Y is outside. And he does take the top off the defense. If you are sneaky quick, you can get behind defenders. And he is fast too. So once he stacks the defender he is able to take the top off with an accurate throw. Perfect for both Y and Z.
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Yes, he's got speed. He's a 10.8 100 meter guy
He did 1 track meet in high school (maybe 2) and ran a 10.8 in the 100m. Essentially... that is not reflective of his long speed. He is faster than his time.
Also, he is sub 4.5 in the 40. My guess is that he will clock sub 4.45. But I can admit that is a guess.
McConkey's "issue" is his size. He played football and basketball in high school and never had an opportunity to put on weight.
It showed in 2021 when he would get arm tackled. 2022, he was running through tackles and blocking like a man possessed. I don't know what his ceiling is in terms of strength/force. But he is no longer a liability as a receiver under the sticks.
His other issues are reliability. He played hurt almost all year 2022. And he had a bad 3 game spell (when his production suffered, so did our entire offensive output. Kent St, Missouri, and Auburn).
As for semantics, I do not believe that a possession receiver is
1) someone who takes the top off the defense
2) gets YAC
3) is the type of receiver for end arounds and punt return duties.
McConkey does all of the above.
I see a possession receiver who runs off the defender at the sticks.
I see a possession receiver finding soft spots in zone and sitting there.
That's not a description of Ladd in my opinion.
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