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re: Bobby Bowden started head coaching in 1959. From 1959-2020 where does he rank all time.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:36 pm to lsu777
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:36 pm to lsu777
Bowden was a great coach. But he went 0-3 vs. Barry Switzer, and 0-1 against Bob Stoops. Jimbo Fisher went 0-2 versus Stoops, with some pretty bad OU defenses at the time. Held to 17 & 13 points in both losses, what an offensive genius Jimbo is.
In all honesty, FSU kinda seems like they suck.
In all honesty, FSU kinda seems like they suck.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:43 pm to kywildcatfanone
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The 1987-2000 stretch will never be topped.
Yet it is already has, and quite unquestionably.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:52 pm to Naked Bootleg
You say Osborne didn’t have model citizens, but Switzer did? Look into how many academic all Americans Osborne coached. They had some juiced guys, but testing caught up before his teams really took off. The partial qualifier deal stopping really hurt their recruiting, but there are likely less qualified guys that got into any other college, even today.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:53 pm to TheFourHorsemen
Florida State won at least 10 games per year from 1987-2000. That was during the era of an 11 game regular season. Plus one bowl game.
Case closed.
He is easily top 5.
Saban has done it 13 straight years but that is playing 12-15 games a year.
FSU won like 4 games total the three previous years before he arrived there in 1976.
Great coach but not the best but up there amongst the best.
Case closed.
He is easily top 5.
Saban has done it 13 straight years but that is playing 12-15 games a year.
FSU won like 4 games total the three previous years before he arrived there in 1976.
Great coach but not the best but up there amongst the best.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:59 pm to Godawgs4
Not the greatest but still great, the guy kept FSU in the top 5 for 14 years. That is something.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:01 pm to HuskerdownSouth
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You say Osborne didn’t have model citizens, but Switzer did? Look into how many academic all Americans Osborne coached. They had some juiced guys, but testing caught up before his teams really took off. The partial qualifier deal stopping really hurt their recruiting, but there are likely less qualified guys that got into any other college, even today.
Osborne's total body of work easily boosts him over Switzer.
255 wins to Switzer's 157.
Same number of natties
10 Bowl Wins to Switzer's 8.
This is obviously because Barry detonated himself out of sheer stupidity and Osborne got to coach an additional 7 years. Still, running yourself out of the NCAA should be factored in.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:23 pm to Naked Bootleg
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Bowden was a great coach. But he went 0-3 vs. Barry Switzer, and 0-1 against Bob Stoops. Jimbo Fisher went 0-2 versus Stoops, with some pretty bad OU defenses at the time. Held to 17 & 13 points in both losses, what an offensive genius Jimbo is.
In all honesty, FSU kinda seems like they suck.
So going 6-2 against Osborne and 8-5-1 against Spurrier doesn't matter?
You can criticize his record in title games but the other stuff is dumb.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:50 pm to Cheese Grits
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#1 Bowden had pretty soft schedules so had he been in a Power Conference he probably has 1 or 2 more losses a year. Still a good coach but would not have been in the MNC hunt with that extra loss or two
What? Bowden scheduled brutal games, mostly on the road for years. Go look at their schedules. They were anything but soft
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:55 pm to lsufball19
bunch of old geezers in here 
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:58 pm to TheFourHorsemen
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I would rank him ahead of Osborne, Switzer, Spurrier, Paterno and Royal.
As pure football coaches, as in calling an offense or defense, I would put Osborne and Spurrier levels ahead of Bowden. They were great tacticians.
Bowden recruited really well, hired good assistants, and kept the program on the road. He was a great program manager but I don't know that he was ever a brilliant football mind who was heavily influential in game planning and playcalling. In any case, I do think he lost too many pivotal games. Should have won more titles in that 1987-2000 stretch. Even the highly talented '93 national championship team with Charlie Ward, Warrick Dunn and Derrick Brooks almost blew it by losing to ND and narrowly escaping a Nebraska team that shouldn't have been within two TD's of them. '99 was really the only year they didn't frick up somewhere.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:02 pm to lsufball19
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What? Bowden scheduled brutal games, mostly on the road for years. Go look at their schedules. They were anything but soft
He gets full credit for the schedule when they were Independent.Not so much for admittedly dodging the SEC and taking an easier path to a NC by joining the ACC.I believe they went 4 years w/out losing conference game.
There's no way that happens in the SEC
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:05 pm to Cheese Grits
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He would have like 2 - 3 big games a year then lots of fluff.
1980
@ LSU
@ #3 Nebraska
vs. #4 Pittsburgh
@ Miami
vs. Florida
1981
@ #17 Nebraska
@ #7 Ohio State
@ Notre Dame
@ #3 Pittsburgh
@ LSU
vs. #13 Miami
@ Florida
1982
@ #2 Pittsburgh
@ Ohio State
@ #16 Miami
@ #12 LSU
vs. Florida
1983
@ #13 LSU
@ #10 Auburn
vs. #6 Miami
@ #12 Florida
1984
@ #4 Miami
vs. #16 Auburn
@ #5 South Carolina
vs. #3 Florida
1985
@ #10 Nebraska
@ #12 Auburn
vs. #11 Miami
@ #6 Florida
1986
@ #8 Nebraska
@ #5 Michigan
@ #1 Miami
vs. Florida
From 1980-86, he scheduled tough, name brand opponents to help build his own program's brand. Starting in 1987, Florida State embarked on that epic run of 14 straight Top 5-finishing seasons.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:15 pm to RollTide1987
He played LSU, on the road, 4 years in a row. He was the epitome of “anyone, anywhere” especially when he was trying to build that program. Some of these up and coming G5’s who want respect could learn a thing or two from Bowden
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:19 pm to RD Dawg
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He gets full credit for the schedule when they were Independent.Not so much for admittedly dodging the SEC and taking an easier path to a NC by joining the ACC
In his first national title season and second season in the ACC (1993), his three non conference games were #3 Miami, @ #2 Notre Dame and @ #7 Florida
The SEC was nowhere near as good in the 90s as it is now. For most of the decade it was Tennessee, Florida, and one, maybe two teams from the West, with the rest of the league being average to below average. Bowden dominated from the late 80s through the 90s, so he wasn’t dodging anything when he still played Florida and Miami every year
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:21 pm to Cheese Grits
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#1 Bowden had pretty soft schedules
Were you born after 2005? The 90s and early 2000s was FSU playing everyone, their Miami games and his battles with Spurrier were must see....
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:57 pm to lsufball19
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his three non conference games were #3 Miami, @ #2 Notre Dame and @ #7 Florida
I get that but are you REALLY giving FSU "credit" for playing UF and Miami? Do they really have a choice?
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The SEC was nowhere near as good in the 90s as it is now. For most of the decade it was Tennessee, Florida, and one, maybe two teams from the West, with the rest of the league being average to below average
Pretty sure Bama won a NC in the 90's and AU had a undefeated year and just because LSU sucked in the 90's doesn't mean the rest of the conference did.If you actually think FSU goes 4 years in the SEC without losing you're delusional.
I mean Bowden flat out admitted that joining the ACC was an easier path to a NC.Do you want me to pull up the quote?
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so he wasn’t dodging anything when he still played Florida and Miami every year
He dodged the SEC and admitted it.
Why is this difficult to digest?
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:05 pm to RD Dawg
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Pretty sure Bama won a NC in the 90's and AU had a undefeated year and just because LSU sucked in the 90's doesn't mean the rest of the conference did.
Like I said, it was Tennessee, Florida, one one or two teams from the rest of the conference. Yes, teams from the west had individually good seasons, but the west as a whole was horrible. Most of the East was horrible. shite Georgia was very average as the third best team in the East. South Carolina had multiple winless seasons. Vandy had zero winning seasons. Kentucky had one winning season at 7-5.
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If you actually think FSU goes 4 years in the SEC without losing you're delusional.
Florida won 27 straight SEC games from 1994 through 1997.
FSU tried to join the SEC for 30 years from the late 50s through the 80s. They were always told no. When the SEC courted prospective new members in 1990, yes FSU, along with Texas, Texas A&M, Miami, Arkansas, and South Carolina, was lobbied to join. And yes they ultimately said yes to the ACC after being black-balled for 30 years. The SEC also voted against inviting FSU. Miami also said no thanks and joined the Big East
The proposed alignment also would have had FSU playing Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, and Auburn every year, incredibly unbalanced compared to the rest of the conference.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:39 pm to lsufball19
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Florida won 27 straight SEC games from 1994 through 1997.
What in God's name are you talking about? I counted 6 SEC opponents and 5 were against Florida?
Stop pulling complete bullshite out your arse
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Like I said, it was Tennessee, Florida, one one or two teams from the rest of the conference. Yes, teams from the west had individually good seasons, but the west as a whole was horrible. Most of the East was horrible. shite Georgia was very average as the third best team in the East. South Carolina had multiple winless seasons. Vandy had zero winning seasons. Kentucky had one winning season at 7-5.
Name another conference that had 2 different teams win NC's in the 90's plus another that went undefeated?Name a better conference.You can't slick
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And yes they ultimately said yes to the ACC after being black-balled for 30 years.
Since you completely made up the 27 win stat,I would imagine you made up the "blackballed"part as well and the SEC wasn't particularly interested in expanding back in the 60's and 70's as well.Qoute on why they joined the ACC.
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the president and others — wanted the ACC, which really was better for us,” Bowden said. “It would have been hard wading through that SEC. Too many good teams in there, boy. Oh, gosh. Oh, that would have been some great ball.”
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:45 pm to TheFourHorsemen
He's way up there. My top ten:
1. Leach
2. Saban
3. Bryant
4. Bobby Bowden
5. Terry Bowden
6. Tommy Bowden
7. Dan Mullen (MSU years)
8. Jackie Sherrill
9. Bud Kilmer
10. Red Beaulieu
1. Leach
2. Saban
3. Bryant
4. Bobby Bowden
5. Terry Bowden
6. Tommy Bowden
7. Dan Mullen (MSU years)
8. Jackie Sherrill
9. Bud Kilmer
10. Red Beaulieu
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:55 pm to kywildcatfanone
quote:Alabama from 2008-present has been WAAAAY better
The 1987-2000 stretch will never be topped.
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