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re: Biggest “What if’s” in the SEC regarding Football over the years.

Posted on 2/26/21 at 8:30 am to
Posted by geauxcoco
Greenville, SC
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 2/26/21 at 8:30 am to
No way in hell they lose that game if the plane doesn’t go down, that’s a huge reason the game was overlooked.Oklahoma State had a once-in-a-lifetime chance to make the national championship game that year. They weren’t going to overlook that team for any reason, that is the reason it happened.
This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 8:39 am
Posted by GainesvilleDawg
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
502 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 8:31 am to
What if Chris Conley dropped the batted ball on the 2 yard line against Alabama in the SECCG in 2012 and time doesn't run out.

What if the referee didn't imagine a phantom offsides call against Tyler Simmons on the blocked punt in the 2017 championship game?

What if Tray Matthews just batted the dang ball down in 2013 against Auburn?

What if Terrence Edwards doesn't drop a wide open easy touchdown pass against UF in 2001?

As a Georgia fan, this thread is just brutal....



Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4079 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 8:36 am to
LSU won titles with Miles and Orgeron. If you don’t think Saban wouldn’t have won numerous titles at LSU then you are delusional. The amount of NFL players that have come out of LA in the last 15 years is near the top of any state in the nation. You don’t think Saban would have locked that down?
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17288 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 8:38 am to
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On a neutral field Miami was 3 scores better than anybody in 1988.
Probably true, but Notre Dame was #1 going into the bowls. No way they were going to match up with the U again with their first shot at an NC in 15 years on the line.

Here’s another what-if from that season: what if the Sugar Bowl had been coerced to take co-champs LSU as the SEC representative instead of AU? Then the game would have featured two teams that lost to Miami in the regular season by a combined score of 75-3
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7139 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 8:42 am to
What if Nick Saban never came to LSU. Would LSU still be the 6th rated team in the conference (excuding Texas A&M) as from integration till his arrival?
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18181 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 8:48 am to
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No way in hell they lose that game if the plane doesn’t go down

Okay. You didn't even know who died on the plane, but now you are certain about the connection between and impact of the loss of a women's BB coach and assistant on an entire CFB team.

It was tragic, but players and coaches experience much more personal loss and manage to endure. The OSU football players' emotional states and most likely those of the majority of coaches and staffs were not so drastically altered that they couldn't concentrate on ISU.

This post was edited on 2/26/21 at 8:49 am
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4307 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:20 am to
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They were beating the rock star 31 to 0 in Baton Rouge with some guy named Dennis Franchione.

Saban was 4-1 against Bama at LSU.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:21 am to
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He would have at least 6 titles at LSU. Stop kidding yourself.


LOL no. In 5 years at LSU he had two seasons of 10 or more wins (not consecutive) and he won one national title.

In his first 5 years at Bama he had 4 seasons of 10 or more wins (consecutively) and won 2 national titles.

A) he figured some things out that he wouldn't have had he not left LSU
B) Bama was primed to take off again with a larger than life coach leading the way.
C) Bama had a better history than LSU before Saban. They're just set up for sustained success in ways that LSU obviously isn't or else LSU would've achieved it at some point in its 100+ year football history.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:32 am to
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No way in hell they lose that game if the plane doesn’t go down


Really? So, and it was tragic, but the women's BB team lost 2 coaches in that crash. Not players (students that the players may have known). Not the entire team. 2 coaches. Those football players likely wouldn't have known those two coaches if they saw them on campus the day before.

And upsets happen to some teams. Oh ST in 2017 lost by 31 to unranked Iowa. What's their excuse for that game that there is "no way in hell they lose that game if..."? Oh St in 2018 lost to unranked Purdue by 29. What's their excuse for that game if there is "no way in hell they lose that game if..."?

Upsets happen. OSU in 2011 is no different. Shouldn't have lost to Iowa freaking State. There is no valid/non hypothetical excuse that can justify it away.
Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4079 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:34 am to
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A) he figured some things out that he wouldn't have had he not left LSU
B) Bama was primed to take off again with a larger than life coach leading the way.
C) Bama had a better history than LSU before Saban. They're just set up for sustained success in ways that LSU obviously isn't or else LSU would've achieved it at some point in its 100+ year football history.


Dude you’re delusional. All that in state talent over them fifteen years and you don’t think Saban would have at least six? When Saban first got to LSU Louisiana HS football players would leave the state. Saban started to lock the in state talent down. Miles and Orgeron won a title at LSU. You really think Saban wouldn’t have won at least five more?
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30742 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:34 am to
What if Ryan Perrilloux isnt a fricking idiot and doesnt get dismissed from LSU?

Posted by SmokeTide
Gulf Coast Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
5287 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:39 am to
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What if Nick Saban never came to LSU. Would LSU still be the 6th rated team in the conference (excuding Texas A&M) as from integration till his arrival?




Let's subtract Nick Saban from both programs.

LSU last football title was 1958.

LSU in 42 years only won 10 games in a season 3 times.

I mean they want to discount what Bama did prior to Y2K but bury that LSU didn't have much history before then.

Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52473 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:48 am to
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He wasn't a rock star at LSU either. Never put together a back-to-back 10 win season.


He was still learning how to recruit the SEC.

When he came back to Bama, he'd been an NFL head coach and won a national championship, a lot easier to sell that to recruits.

When he came to LSU, he was just some Yankee.

None of you can actually say why he couldnt have had just as much as LSU because there's no reason.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44808 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:48 am to
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No way in hell they lose that game if the plane doesn’t go down, that’s a huge reason the game was overlooked.Oklahoma State had a once-in-a-lifetime chance to make the national championship game that year. They weren’t going to overlook that team for any reason, that is the reason it happened.


They didn't overlook Iowa State. They went up 24-7 and expected to coast after that. It is awfully hard to put your foot back on the gas after you let off in football.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52473 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 9:49 am to
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Bama had a better history than LSU before Saban. They're just set up for sustained success in ways that LSU obviously isn't or else LSU would've achieved it at some point in its 100+ year football history.


LSU was a different program pre Saban.

What advantage does Alabama have over LSU after Saban had been at LSU say 4 years?

Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4079 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:05 am to
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LSU was a different program pre Saban. What advantage does Alabama have over LSU after Saban had been at LSU say 4 years?


They don’t have an advantage when it comes to recruiting with Saban. Starting in 2001 Saban started to come into his own in recruiting. He started locking down top 5 classes at LSU. The result was he won a title in 2003. He never seen the fruits of his labor for his 2003 or 2004 class.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21208 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:14 am to
Nutt didn't recruit well enough to gain momentum from Danny Ford's players in 98 and 99 where they should have won an SEC title in those two years. His 2000 recruiting class is probably one of the worst in SEC history. It was filled with academic risks, trouble with the law and busts. He only had maybe three recruits make it on campus. It was a rare occurrence but he apologized for that ordeal.

Then he panicked in 2001 with his next class and started playing freshmen instead of redshirting because of the 2000 class blunder. Almost lost to UNLV that beat them in the bowl 31-14 in the year before.

Started 0-3 in the SEC and took the redshirt off a player named Matt Jones and it saved him from a losing season and his job. Also it helped McFadden saved his job or normally he would be fired much earlier.

No the 1977 was a lot better than the team that played Alabama. The 77 team owns the biggest upset in bowl history against Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. The reason is because Arkansas didn't get any respect from the media as they entered the season unranked and had several players suspended from the game. But freshman running back Roland Sales had a then Orange Bowl record of 205 yards on the ground that led to a 31-6 victory.

Arkansas had one close loss against a Texas team that involved a controversial penalty. Notre Dame were named by many outlets as the national champion but yet lost to a 5-6 Ole Miss team earlier in the season. They beat Texas and we beat Oklahoma that lost to Texas in the regular season. But we just got screwed out of it but one media outlet did name us as the mythical champion.

But those were Broyle's players and Holtz took the credit. After that it was a slow decline until he was fired. He didn't put the heart into like Broyles had and wanted to go to Notre Dame instead which he did. Had Frank not retired at the age of 52 in 76 then he would have done better than Holtz in the early and mid 80s.

Arkansas was very good in the 70s and 80s. Both decades involved Arkansas being contenders on the national scale. Arkansas was a top 15 program before entering the SEC.

Frank Broyles was our best coach with a toss up between Holtz and Ken Hatfield being in second place. Petrino did beat LSU twice and almost had a third win in 2009. So they certainly were nervous of his style of play. He would have eventually beaten Saban had he not fallen off the bike but it wouldn't be very much. Still better than going winless for over a decade.

Petrino was our best coach in the SEC which isn't saying much as we made sure in the past to make the worst hires possible.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4307 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:22 am to
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When he came back to Bama, he'd been an NFL head coach and won a national championship, a lot easier to sell that to recruits.

When he came to LSU, he was just some Yankee.

None of you can actually say why he couldnt have had just as much as LSU because there's no reason.

This is the correct answer.

Miles and Orgeron won a national title each with the foundation Saban built. Miles would have had two if Saban had not returned to CFB.

Saban would have bagged quite a few national titles in Baton Rouge. No doubt.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
Member since Oct 2018
5375 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:25 am to
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What if Saban never hires Kiffin? Not only was his offense the reason Bama beat Clemson in 2015, but he is a big reason for Alabama's permanent change in offensive philosophy.


Nothing is permanent with Saban other than a burning desire to win. He will do what it takes to win. He would install the wishbone and throw it four times a game if it means a championship.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14057 posts
Posted on 2/26/21 at 10:36 am to
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LSU won titles with Miles and Orgeron. If you don’t think Saban wouldn’t have won numerous titles at LSU then you are delusional. The amount of NFL players that have come out of LA in the last 15 years is near the top of any state in the nation. You don’t think Saban would have locked that down?




You are giving me what you hypothetically think will happen and I'm giving you the cold hard facts of what did happen. That's the bridge the bayou boys can't seem to cross. The bridge has a name, reality.
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