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re: Big 6 qualifications?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:09 am to SmokeTide
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:09 am to SmokeTide
It's really Bama + 5.
I think for someone to crack the "Big 6" they would need multiple SEC championships. IIRC each member of the "Big 6" has more than one SEC title.
However, Bama has done far more than anyone else so it's a little silly to put UGA or Tennessee in the same sentence.
I think for someone to crack the "Big 6" they would need multiple SEC championships. IIRC each member of the "Big 6" has more than one SEC title.
However, Bama has done far more than anyone else so it's a little silly to put UGA or Tennessee in the same sentence.
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:11 am to CNB
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However, Bama has done far more than anyone else so it's a little silly to put UGA or Tennessee in the same sentence.
True. Like trying to lump some other schools in with Kentucky basketball or Auburn Equestrian.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:14 am to AlabamaAlum07
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Ole Miss? 6 SEC titles (only 2 behind Auburn and Florida) and a couple of recognized national titles. They're also top 10 in bowl wins somehow.
How many in the last 50 years?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:15 am to Porter Osborne Jr
I don't know. The SEC is a lot older than 50 years.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 9:16 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:16 am to shotcaller1
You post a lot of about LSU
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:17 am to shotcaller1
24/7
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:17 am to Porter Osborne Jr
One of the Big 6 qualifications would definitely be winning 10 games in the regular season, so Ole Miss is out 
The "Big 6" is what's always been advertised. Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, and Bama. Those teams are easily on another level.
However I still claim that Bama is on an even higher level, so I motion we call it Big 1+5
The "Big 6" is what's always been advertised. Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, and Bama. Those teams are easily on another level.
However I still claim that Bama is on an even higher level, so I motion we call it Big 1+5
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:17 am to AlabamaAlum07
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The SEC is a lot older than 50 years.
All Time SEC Titles
Alabama - 24
Tennessee - 13
Georgia - 12
LSU - 11
Auburn - 8
Florida - 8
Next closest is ole miss with 6, whose last title was 52 years ago.
If anyone ever hopes to crack the big 6 it's gonna take a lot more than just beating a big6 team a few years in a row.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:17 am to CNB
Big 6 and big 4 are purely conference related terms. Big 6 has historically been the 6 schools to win the conference since establishment of a championship game. Big 4 is ambiguous but I typically hear the rationale I gave earlier.
The day big 6 becomes an irrelevant term is the day someone else wins the conference.
The day big 6 becomes an irrelevant term is the day someone else wins the conference.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:19 am to Tiguar
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The day big 6 becomes an irrelevant term is the day someone else wins the conference.
More than once. If say South Carolina or Ole Miss won it once, it wouldn't change anything. It would be the first time in a LONG time someone else won it, but I think it would be seen as a "fluke" until it happened again for the same team.
If that makes sense.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:19 am to SmokeTide
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I'm sorry this is not a Troll thread, I seen Big 6 thrown around alot lately on here...So was asking a question..well questions about the club qualifications.
It's more a matter of consistently winning and contending for the conference championship and being relevant on a National level. A one time win does not get you in. For anyone to be considered a member they would have to show they can contend regularly.
The Florida fan who insinuated Georgia and Tennessee should not be considered is trolling. If UGA and UT would be considered out then Florida would certainly have to be out, too.
That said.....it is mainly a way to troll other fan bases. It means nothing.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:21 am to AlabamaAlum07
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We have 25.
That was from a thread started last year. Pipe down, you're still safe.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:23 am to CNB
I, personally, would be willing to blow up the term off of someone else winning once. The gap is bigger for "only these schools have ever won" versus "these schools won like once or twice more than someone else".
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:24 am to SmokeTide
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If a Non Big 6 wins the Sec do they become a member or does the least successful of the 6 is bump off list?
hasn't happened since 1962. I wouldn't expect it any time soon
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:26 am to lsufball19
Yeah I don't know who would be the first to do it. A couple years ago I would have said us, but that ain't happening anymore
I don't see any team capable of doing it this year. Ole Miss I guess would have the best shot, but they're ole miss, and the west is tough. Nobody from the East is doing it. Not this year at least.
I don't see any team capable of doing it this year. Ole Miss I guess would have the best shot, but they're ole miss, and the west is tough. Nobody from the East is doing it. Not this year at least.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:28 am to CNB
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However I still claim that Bama is on an even higher level, so I motion we call it Big 1+5
Actually I would have to agree. Alabama has been in a class of their own for awhile, now.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:31 am to CNB
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More than once. If say South Carolina or Ole Miss won it once, it wouldn't change anything. It would be the first time in a LONG time someone else won it, but I think it would be seen as a "fluke" until it happened again for the same team.
If that makes sense.
Nailed it. I really thought South Carolina might make a run for it the last few years. You guys had a good, consistent roll going. Had you been able to get Spurrier a few years sooner, who knows how things might have changed.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:38 am to SmokeTide
Basically I believe it is this:
*Must have a National Title on your resume
*Must maintain at least 50% SEC all-time winning percentage
*Must average an SEC Title at least every 12 seasons
*Must have a minimum of 5 SEC Titles
*Must stay a Top 20 program all-time according to the AP
*Must be a member of the conference for at least 20 years
Here's how programs rank now:
Must have a National Title to your credit (a real one):
11- Alabama
3- LSU
3- Florida
2- Auburn
2- Tennessee
1- Georgia
1- Texas A&M
Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Mizzou are all waiting for a real one. I know Arky and Ole Miss like to claim several that were never truly awarded to them... and in the case of Arkansas' 1964 season, they actually deserved... but still there is no AP or Coaches/UPI Trophy.
All-Time SEC Winning Percentage (50% Threshold):
71.1%- Alabama
62.1%- Tennessee
60.5%- Georgia
58.7%- Florida
58.0%- LSU
54.8%- Auburn
53.1%- Texas A&M
50.0%- Missouri
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48.5%- Ole Miss
44.6%- Arkansas
42.8%- S. Carolina
Eight programs make this cut, albeit the newbies just barely. While Ole Miss appears close, their all-time SEC record of 258-274-15 makes it difficult for them to get back over that 50% mark. Basically, Ole Miss would have to go 5-3 for the next nine seasons to get back over 50%. Do-able, but unlikely.
Must have an SEC Title at least every 12 seasons. Average years between SEC Titles (12 threshold):
3.3- Alabama
6.4- Tennessee
6.9- Georgia
7.5- LSU
10.4- Auburn
10.4- Florida
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13.8- Ole Miss
41.5- Kentucky
83.0- Mississippi State
Ole Miss is the only other program that is close. If the Rebels could win one next year, they'd get to the 1/12 threshold... but they would need to win another one to risk losing it again the next year.
Auburn and Florida are the closest to falling below this level. They both must win another SEC Title in the next 14 years to stay above the threshold.
All-Time SEC Championships (5 threshold):
25- Alabama
13- Tennessee
12- Georgia
11- LSU
8- Florida
8- Auburn
6- Ole Miss
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2- Kentucky
1- Miss. St.
Part of being considered apart of the big dogs in the SEC is creating a presence as one of the strong members of the league. Texas A&M or Mizzou could win an SEC Title in the next few years and meet the 1/12 threshold above... but they'd still just have a single SEC Title. They need to be in the league for enough time and win enough titles to officially be apart. It just takes time.
All-Time AP Ranking (Top 20 threshold):
#2 Alabama
#9 Tennessee
#11 LSU
#12 Auburn
#13 Georgia
#17 Florida
#19 Arkansas
#20 Texas A&M
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#22 Ole Miss
#32 Missouri
Ole Miss is only a few Top 10 or Top 20 finishes away from likely pulling themselves up into the Top 20 programs of all-time. Meanwhile, Texas A&M and Arkansas are just as close to losing it.... In fact, if Clemson finishes 12 spots ahead of the Aggies in one more final AP Poll, A&M drops out of the Top 20 all-time. It's that close.
Must be a member of the conference for at least 20 years
*Everyone meets this criteria except for Texas A&M and Mizzou. They are 16 years away. The thing is, I feel like only recently do Arkansas and South Carolina seem to fit the league. For years, playing them felt a bit odd. It takes two decades to work up enough games to create some history and tradition in the league. It will come for the Aggies and the Tigers of the East, but it takes time.
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So the "Big 6" meet every threshold.
Who's closest to joining the group?
Texas A&M needs another 16 years in the league... and 5 SEC Titles during those 16 seasons. If they can do that, they are for sure part of the elite group.
Ole Miss needs to win at a fairly high level (62% or better SEC win%) for the next decade... they need 2 more SEC Titles during that time frame. And they need a National Title as well. If they can do all that in the decade ahead, they can join the group.
Arkansas needs to average 5-3 or better in the league for the next 11 seasons. They need to win 5 SEC Championships. And they need a National Title.
Mizzou needs to keep their 50% SEC record going for the next 16 seasons. They need a National Title and 5 SEC Titles. If they do all that in 16 years, they'll likely move up to a Top 20 program all-time.
No other program really has any hope of joining the elite programs at the top.
*Must have a National Title on your resume
*Must maintain at least 50% SEC all-time winning percentage
*Must average an SEC Title at least every 12 seasons
*Must have a minimum of 5 SEC Titles
*Must stay a Top 20 program all-time according to the AP
*Must be a member of the conference for at least 20 years
Here's how programs rank now:
Must have a National Title to your credit (a real one):
11- Alabama
3- LSU
3- Florida
2- Auburn
2- Tennessee
1- Georgia
1- Texas A&M
Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Mizzou are all waiting for a real one. I know Arky and Ole Miss like to claim several that were never truly awarded to them... and in the case of Arkansas' 1964 season, they actually deserved... but still there is no AP or Coaches/UPI Trophy.
All-Time SEC Winning Percentage (50% Threshold):
71.1%- Alabama
62.1%- Tennessee
60.5%- Georgia
58.7%- Florida
58.0%- LSU
54.8%- Auburn
53.1%- Texas A&M
50.0%- Missouri
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48.5%- Ole Miss
44.6%- Arkansas
42.8%- S. Carolina
Eight programs make this cut, albeit the newbies just barely. While Ole Miss appears close, their all-time SEC record of 258-274-15 makes it difficult for them to get back over that 50% mark. Basically, Ole Miss would have to go 5-3 for the next nine seasons to get back over 50%. Do-able, but unlikely.
Must have an SEC Title at least every 12 seasons. Average years between SEC Titles (12 threshold):
3.3- Alabama
6.4- Tennessee
6.9- Georgia
7.5- LSU
10.4- Auburn
10.4- Florida
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13.8- Ole Miss
41.5- Kentucky
83.0- Mississippi State
Ole Miss is the only other program that is close. If the Rebels could win one next year, they'd get to the 1/12 threshold... but they would need to win another one to risk losing it again the next year.
Auburn and Florida are the closest to falling below this level. They both must win another SEC Title in the next 14 years to stay above the threshold.
All-Time SEC Championships (5 threshold):
25- Alabama
13- Tennessee
12- Georgia
11- LSU
8- Florida
8- Auburn
6- Ole Miss
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2- Kentucky
1- Miss. St.
Part of being considered apart of the big dogs in the SEC is creating a presence as one of the strong members of the league. Texas A&M or Mizzou could win an SEC Title in the next few years and meet the 1/12 threshold above... but they'd still just have a single SEC Title. They need to be in the league for enough time and win enough titles to officially be apart. It just takes time.
All-Time AP Ranking (Top 20 threshold):
#2 Alabama
#9 Tennessee
#11 LSU
#12 Auburn
#13 Georgia
#17 Florida
#19 Arkansas
#20 Texas A&M
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#22 Ole Miss
#32 Missouri
Ole Miss is only a few Top 10 or Top 20 finishes away from likely pulling themselves up into the Top 20 programs of all-time. Meanwhile, Texas A&M and Arkansas are just as close to losing it.... In fact, if Clemson finishes 12 spots ahead of the Aggies in one more final AP Poll, A&M drops out of the Top 20 all-time. It's that close.
Must be a member of the conference for at least 20 years
*Everyone meets this criteria except for Texas A&M and Mizzou. They are 16 years away. The thing is, I feel like only recently do Arkansas and South Carolina seem to fit the league. For years, playing them felt a bit odd. It takes two decades to work up enough games to create some history and tradition in the league. It will come for the Aggies and the Tigers of the East, but it takes time.
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So the "Big 6" meet every threshold.
Who's closest to joining the group?
Texas A&M needs another 16 years in the league... and 5 SEC Titles during those 16 seasons. If they can do that, they are for sure part of the elite group.
Ole Miss needs to win at a fairly high level (62% or better SEC win%) for the next decade... they need 2 more SEC Titles during that time frame. And they need a National Title as well. If they can do all that in the decade ahead, they can join the group.
Arkansas needs to average 5-3 or better in the league for the next 11 seasons. They need to win 5 SEC Championships. And they need a National Title.
Mizzou needs to keep their 50% SEC record going for the next 16 seasons. They need a National Title and 5 SEC Titles. If they do all that in 16 years, they'll likely move up to a Top 20 program all-time.
No other program really has any hope of joining the elite programs at the top.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 9:44 am to lsufball19
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hasn't happened since 1962. I wouldn't expect it any time soon
certainly not this year.
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