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re: Pretty confident my dad is about to die - The Covid blues
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 7:59 pm
Nice. Now people wishing death on me. Real class acts. Go frick yourselves
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re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 7:53 pm
I absolutely agree.
The bizarre phenomenon of people thinking I’m a government/cdc Biden voting lackey because I think the vaccine is helpful for at risk people and won’t sterilize you is sad commentary on the state of healthcare in this country.
The bizarre phenomenon of people thinking I’m a government/cdc Biden voting lackey because I think the vaccine is helpful for at risk people and won’t sterilize you is sad commentary on the state of healthcare in this country.
re: Fort McCoy hit by case of measles amid Afghan refugee resettlement effort
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 7:50 pm
I mean yeah
Afghanistan not exactly a bastion of childhood vaccination adherence.
Glad to see that ARR gonna get a tick up tho :bow:
Afghanistan not exactly a bastion of childhood vaccination adherence.
Glad to see that ARR gonna get a tick up tho :bow:
re: Pretty confident my dad is about to die - The Covid blues
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 7:37 pm
I haven’t debunked anything. Thanks.
re: Pretty confident my dad is about to die - The Covid blues
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 7:34 pm
The difference between idiots like you and people who do this for a living is I’m not going to argue with you in a thread in which someone is grieving their dying father.
re: Pretty confident my dad is about to die - The Covid blues
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 7:22 pm
It’s mostly palliative. Patients are basically drowning by the time a decision to intubate is made these days.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:54 pm
Zzzz alright I’m out
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:38 pm
You aren’t wrong. I really wish they just FDA approved it for certain ages and risk factors. It would have done so much good for trust.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:32 pm
Covid has been more fatal to people than the vaccines have, by powers of 100.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:22 pm
You’re asking a complicated question. Think about how not all antibiotics kill every bacteria just because they’re antibiotics.
In addition, remdesivir is used on hospitalized patients. By the time you’re hospitalized, the virus has already started a chain of events that may or may not be reversible.
Studies have shown it MIGHT reduce a hospital stay by 1-2 days if it does anything.
It didn’t reduce mortality or progression to a vent. It just made you get better slightly quicker if you were going to get better anyway.
Somehow this got approved for covid use and Gilead saw fit to charge 3-5k per course of therapy.
Actemra is used to “pause” the cytokine storm and showed promise early. It reduced 30day mortality in patients receiving steroids. But it did not reduce 90day mortality- this suggests it may just delay the inevitable. It costs 4-12k depending on dose and if you get one or two doses.
In addition, remdesivir is used on hospitalized patients. By the time you’re hospitalized, the virus has already started a chain of events that may or may not be reversible.
Studies have shown it MIGHT reduce a hospital stay by 1-2 days if it does anything.
It didn’t reduce mortality or progression to a vent. It just made you get better slightly quicker if you were going to get better anyway.
Somehow this got approved for covid use and Gilead saw fit to charge 3-5k per course of therapy.
Actemra is used to “pause” the cytokine storm and showed promise early. It reduced 30day mortality in patients receiving steroids. But it did not reduce 90day mortality- this suggests it may just delay the inevitable. It costs 4-12k depending on dose and if you get one or two doses.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:14 pm
It doesn’t even really do anything.
Remdesivir and Actemra are murdering drug budgets across the country.
Remdesivir and Actemra are murdering drug budgets across the country.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:12 pm
It may, it may not. We don’t know. I wouldn’t turn someone down who wants it but I’m not recommending it, either.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:09 pm
It does. But the person who is at risk for relevant myocarditis isn’t at much risk for covid:
Athletic males under 30
Athletic males under 30
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:07 pm
Myocarditis.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:07 pm
quote:
The actual value of them is probably lower than the cost
This is only when given to the younger population.
Probably dirt cheap if you look at the 50+ or obese crowd.
Just preventing us from using ONE remdesivir pays for 100 vaccinations.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:05 pm
It’s an unknown and a rare time the “natural immunity vs vaccination” argument holds water.
Numbers estimated but:
Expose yourself to 0.0001% risk three+ times or expose yourself once to 0.0003% risk?
First do no harm.
Numbers estimated but:
Expose yourself to 0.0001% risk three+ times or expose yourself once to 0.0003% risk?
First do no harm.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 6:01 pm
Clinically relevant myocarditis becomes a factor in the risk/benefit analysis for males below 30.
It’s still lower than covid itself BUT you’re guaranteeing exposure to the risk rather than rolling the dice in exposure to the risk.
Not really worth it if multiple boosters are going to be necessary.
It’s still lower than covid itself BUT you’re guaranteeing exposure to the risk rather than rolling the dice in exposure to the risk.
Not really worth it if multiple boosters are going to be necessary.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 5:57 pm
World was locked down a year ago as well. Cannot compare cohorts.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 5:50 pm
Cost was in the low billions. Vaccines are wildly successful if they convince democrats to not rape the economy again.
Vaccines have been a huge benefit to certain vaccinated people and not very beneficial to others.
You’re probably correct there would be an actual established vaccine schedule conferring better immunity under normal circumstances.
Vaccines have been a huge benefit to certain vaccinated people and not very beneficial to others.
You’re probably correct there would be an actual established vaccine schedule conferring better immunity under normal circumstances.
re: Vaccine Skepticism Explained
Posted by Tiguar on 9/7/21 at 5:43 pm
Policy needs to stop being built around one vaccine with poor immunity duration. People keep talking about Pfizer lasting 6 months as if that is the final word.
Moderna exists and Novavax may have something to say about both.
Mandates are stupid- premature mandates are even more stupid.
Moderna exists and Novavax may have something to say about both.
Mandates are stupid- premature mandates are even more stupid.
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