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re: Best Plan Ever to Maximize SEC $$ in the Future (Realignment/Expansion)

Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:05 am to
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:05 am to
How many times do you have to be told, the SEC expansion, when it comes, will be either Va or Va Tech and NC State.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17493 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:08 am to
Great post. If we're going to do this right, though, we need to drop USCe and add Clemson.
Posted by FishFearMe
United States
Member since Jul 2015
7196 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:32 am to
OP is an idiot.

Texas A&M TV ratings >>> Texas or OU TV ratings last year.

Texas Aggies sell 102,500 season tickets with people increasing their donations to get to the front of the waiting list.

Longhorns sold 45,000 season tickets and have announced they will start selling alcohol to numb the pain.

Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:41 am to
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34342 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 11:43 am to
Posted by AUBorn
Itumpka Youtumpka Wetumpka, AL
Member since Aug 2013
933 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:17 pm to
Do you really think the current cable TV delivery model is here to stay forever? Don't you think streaming, a la carte, or some other disruption will change things in the next 30 years and put an end to the current $1.40 per cable subscriber in footprint states? As A&M's leadership said, conference membership is a 100 year decision.
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
33145 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:19 pm to
We have enough teams no need to expand.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:25 pm to
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By that logic, MSU stays and Ole Miss gets the boot (basing this also off your very legit map


The map was to illustrate another point other than the one you're thinking. If Miss St earns more money than Ole Miss, than yes, give them the boot instead.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:26 pm to
UCF over Miami?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:28 pm to
holy shite...that SEC Div. II is complete garbage. but Miami would be in over UCF
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:28 pm to
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Texas A&M TV ratings >>> Texas or OU TV ratings last year.


You're basing it off one year, but what if we look at the past 20 years? Also, if you think this is just about football, you're lost.
Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

Do you really think the current cable TV delivery model is here to stay forever? Don't you think streaming, a la carte, or some other disruption will change things in the next 30 years and put an end to the current $1.40 per cable subscriber in footprint states? As A&M's leadership said, conference membership is a 100 year decision.


Do you think Netflix will be under $10 a month forever?
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8605 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:50 pm to
Know how I can tell that was created by a LSU fan?
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8605 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

You are #2 in your state and everybody knows it.


That's funny coming from an Aubbie. It's like saying "Damnit! You're just like us!"
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

College sports is a business, don't let any of the hyperbole about "student athlete" fool you.


Thanks for letting us know.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:05 pm to
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Rule 1: Know the thing you do and do it well. It would be tough to argue in any business to eliminate portions of the business which have been key to its overall success for years. Especially parts that still play the same vital role they have always played. Auburn, Vandy and MSU are too vital to eliminate. If you don't see the role they play in the success of the SEC then we are waisting time talking about it. I can't do much with micro-thinking.

Rule 2: Embrace needed change. A&M is and has been a huge success for the SEC. Most of the revenue explosion of the SEC network can be directly tied to the $1.40 shares in Texas. Missouri has also been a good addition but not nearly as important as A&M.

Rule 3: Don't make business decisions with your heart. Oklahoma and WVU would be heart choices to add to the SEC under any circumstance. They are a bad business decision. Which is ironic because you started out the OP by touting that "College sports is a business," IMHO if you run a business you might as well run it well. No reason to make bad business decisions just because it is a business.


Some rules that applies to and transcends business are:
Those who don't adapt, die.
It's not the big that eat the small, it's the fast who eat the slow.


quick summary of other points:
Saying one member is vital, just b/c they were here in the beginning is a personal decision/preference. Adding UNC and dropping one of the 3 mentioned would generate more $ for the conference...the same way expanding to MO and TX already did. Texas has a bigger following that aTm, both on the state and national level. Adding OK and WVU make geographic, media market, and overall revenue sense.Look at travel costs for the schools, or benefits of having teams closer by for visiting fans, or helping to expand a clearly defined geo footprint as well.



Well I see your ploy worked to charge up the rant today. The mico-thinking you exhibit is short sighted and fails to give credit to the obvious reality that the SEC is successful because of the passion the SEC rivalries bred. The current cable subscriber model will likely not be the gravy train forever but I suspect it is here for a while and it is why we won't see additions that are poor business decisions like Oklahoma or WVU.

In principle your arguments are rational about kicking out the 2 teams from each state and replacing them simply with teams from states currently outside of the SEC but then you make business 101 mistake of not knowing what you do and doing it well.

These rules of business you mentioned are far less import than the ones I originally mentioned.
1)Those who don't adapt, die.
2) It's not the big that eat the small, it's the fast who eat the slow.

Rule 1) Almost caused the world to prefer Pepsi over Coke…Did your dad work on the team who created "New Coke"? That was a genius business move costing one of the most successful companies in the world the largest drop in market share in history. I feel certain the SEC will adapt but they won't adapt in a manner led by micro-thinking like you suggest.

Rule 2) There are a lot of broke tech investors in this country that wish they went the big and slow route like the oil companies, energy companies, etc…and hadn't simply gone with the fast. It helps to be nimble in business but it is better to be a glacier.

Your plan actually makes sense for a small business like the Big 12. They typically make micro-decisions, micro-decision making is what keeps businesses small. The reward of a few more cable subscribers would be worth the loss of tradition, balance and excellence (if you could say the Big 12 has excellence at their small level). However, the SEC is more established, better diversified and wouldn't think about ideas like "Those who don't adapt, die or It's not the big that eat the small, it's the fast who eat the slow" because when your as big and stable as the SEC you don't worry about poor man's business philosophies.

In the Big 12 where your brand is wavering and was never strongly established because of micro-thinking kicking out Kansas State, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU and OSU might make sense if you add CSU, UCF, BYU, San Jose State and Ohio. Of course if you are selling sand in a dessert nobody is going to buy sand. The biggest advantage is the SEC is selling water in a dessert so even in the micro Big 12 I believe a strong argument could be made that what success you have is largely dependent on the natural balance of teams like
Texas Baylor Texas Tech and TCU
Oklahoma and OSU
Kansas and Kansas St

Nevermind, even at that level of business your ideas are still bad.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 2:09 pm
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5212 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:06 pm to
Lost us at the cut schools.
You can just cut schools out of the conference. Without cause.

We really should have added Clemson, they are the power in SC, plus UGA and AU already had rivalries.

Expanding to NC and VA , is the best option.
Moving MIZZ to the west, or going to quad pool.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

1. 9 SEC Game Football Schedule.
-SEC games are worth more than watching a SEC team beat an FCS team.


The OOC game against an FCS team is not the one that will be dumped to make room for the 9th SEC game. It'll be the more high profile games against teams that demand a home and home or a neutral site. Nine SEC games means five on the road some years, so teams will be less able to afford to play away from home OOC.

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2. Expand the SEC's Geographic/Media market share.
- We need to add schools in states/media markets that don't have SEC schools:
TOP 5 Choices: Oklahoma, UNC, UVA, KU, WVU
- That would create 19 teams as of now in the SEC, but see the next step below....


Why in the hell would Kansas be in there? What, besides KU's basketball reputation, does anything in Kansas have to offer the SEC? WVU is questionable, but does have some pull in the DC market, so maybe they make sense. Oklahoma is only good for the national reputation of the Sooners. There's not much population in Oklahoma and not much other reason to take anyone from there.

NC and Virginia, yes, absolutely.

quote:

3. Cut Schools who are NOT needed for that Geographic/Media market share.
- Goodbye: Auburn, Miss St, Vanderbilt and aTm.
- These schools aren't needed to maintain the state's media market interest, plus they ARE NOT flagships, and everybody knows, the SEC is a Flagship Conference.




OK, sorry, thought you were serious. Obviously, no one is getting cut from the SEC.
Posted by WhitewaterDawg
Tennessee
Member since Aug 2011
7233 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 2:27 pm to
DIAF count
Posted by SwatMitchell
Austin, TX
Member since Jan 2005
2313 posts
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

Your NEW SEC would look like:

SEC East
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee
UNC
UVA
WVU
Kentucky

SEC WEST
Alabama
Mississippi
LSU
Arkansas
Texas
Oklahoma
Kansas
Missouri


There is no denying that the media payout per school would increase in this configuration - similar to the WAR stat in baseball.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:17 pm
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