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re: Bama probably makes top 4 even if it has a loss remainder of season...
Posted on 11/2/16 at 8:42 am to APIEE
Posted on 11/2/16 at 8:42 am to APIEE
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The Bama nightmare is losing to Auburn and having TAMU win out and go to the SEC Championship.
Impossible, if Bama, Auburn and Texas A&M are all 7-1 in the SEC Bama goes to the SEC championship.
If we beat LSU we just need A&M to hold serve and it makes the iron bowl meaningless from an SEC championship perspective and means a loss won't push us out of the playoffs.
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 8:55 am to Crimson Legend
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this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say that the Committee looks at division leaders ("champions"). They look hard at winning your conference because if you leave out a conference champ, you are in a sense dismissing the whole conference as weak. Divisions have nothing to do with it.
You can claim you belong in the 4 team Playoff, if you go undefeated and then lose in the Conference Championship Game. If you do not win your Division, it is a de facto claim you are the third best team in your Conference. 2011 was a great example of where a non-divisional champion was given a bye over a team they lost to a month earlier.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:01 am to JB Bama
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Impossible, if Bama, Auburn and Texas A&M are all 7-1 in the SEC Bama goes to the SEC championship. If we beat LSU we just need A&M to hold serve and it makes the iron bowl meaningless from an SEC championship perspective and means a loss won't push us out of the playoffs.
If A&M wins out, they go to the Playoff and Bama would be left out. I believe A&M would be ranked higher because they would have lost to a one loss Bama team and have beaten LSU, while Bama had lost to a two lose LSU team.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:05 am to Irons Puppet
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You can claim you belong in the 4 team Playoff, if you go undefeated and then lose in the Conference Championship Game. If you do not win your Division, it is a de facto claim you are the third best team in your Conference. 2011 was a great example of where a non-divisional champion was given a bye over a team they lost to a month earlier.
Your logic is inconsistent. If not winning your division is a "de facto claim" that you are the third best team in your conference, then not winning the championship game is a "de facto claim" that you are the second best team in your conference.
Of course, that's not only inconsistent, but inaccurate - the best team doesn't always win and when you look at the teams' performances across the season, you are going to see inconsistencies. That's why transitive arguments don't work, and it's why you can't rely on "de facto claims" when the determining factor of who wins the division (and consequently has a chance to win the conference) is sometimes a thin margin in just one game.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:05 am to coachcrisp
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quote: dumb Really?...who won the game 21-0?
It was not dumb, nor stupid, for the BCS to do it in 2011. Because the BCS was all about the two best teams.
It is dumb, and stupid, as hell to think the CFP will ever do it. Because the CFP is all about the four best conference champions.
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:09 am to Crimson Legend
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Your logic is inconsistent. If not winning your division is a "de facto claim" that you are the third best team in your conference, then not winning the championship game is a "de facto claim" that you are the second best team in your conference
I agree, but it is the only argument that a team can make that they belong in the Playoff. The argument really loses credibility if you do not win at least your division.
Comparing College Conferences to determine who is worthy is like comparing Apples to Oranges. That is why the committee can not ignore a Conference Champion over a team that doesn't even win their Division.
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:21 am to Irons Puppet
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I agree, but it is the only argument that a team can make that they belong in the Playoff. The argument really loses credibility if you do not win at least your division.
Comparing College Conferences to determine who is worthy is like comparing Apples to Oranges. That is why the committee can not ignore a Conference Champion over a team that doesn't even win their Division.
The only part I disagree is the importance of winning the division. The committee looks at the body of work, and a team could have a fantastic season with just one road loss costing them the division.
But if you don't win your conference, then taking your team over a conference champ is a bold move and one that the committee will continue to avoid in a big way...and I agree with them.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:27 am to MrSpock
LSU even if they win out is not a lock to make the playoffs. If three conference champions are undefeated and Louisville is 11-1 my money goes on them over LSU.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:29 am to Irons Puppet
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There is zero chance they take a non-divisional champion. 2011 made sure of that.
What are you talking about? 2011 justified that it made sense if the team was that good, the non-divisional champ shut out #1.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:40 am to Crimson Legend
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The only part I disagree is the importance of winning the division. The committee looks at the body of work, and a team could have a fantastic season with just one road loss costing them the division.
A #1 Bama team that loses to the Eastern Division Champion in the SECCG is in the Playoff. A number #4 one loss Bama team that sits home and watches a #5 A&M team beat UF in the SECCG, is out.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:44 am to Tidemeister
As an LSU fan, I am cheering for Clemson and Washington to win out.
If LSU beats Alabama and goes on to win the SEC, the last thing we want is for 11-1 Alabama to make the playoff too.
If LSU beats Alabama and goes on to win the SEC, the last thing we want is for 11-1 Alabama to make the playoff too.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 9:59 am to Irons Puppet
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A number #4 one loss Bama team that sits home and watches a #5 A&M team beat UF in the SECCG, is out.
This is not possible due to the remaining schedule.
Well I guess if USC beats Missouri and UF while UK loses to UGA and Tenn then it would be coin flip? That USC win last week was a game changer.
Correction: Best cumulative Conference winning percentage of non-divisional opponents (Note: If two teams' non-divisional opponents have the same cumulative record, then the two-team tiebreaker procedures apply.
In that scenario it would still be Bama (H2H vs A&M)
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 10:13 am
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:13 am to Irons Puppet
quote:In that scenario Bama would be selected for the playoff. There is zero chance they would put A&M in over the team that beat them with both teams with one loss and Bama as the conference champion.
Impossible, if Bama, Auburn and Texas A&M are all 7-1 in the SEC Bama goes to the SEC championship. If we beat LSU we just need A&M to hold serve and it makes the iron bowl meaningless from an SEC championship perspective and means a loss won't push us out of the playoffs.
If A&M wins out, they go to the Playoff and Bama would be left out. I believe A&M would be ranked higher because they would have lost to a one loss Bama team and have beaten LSU, while Bama had lost to a two lose LSU team
You barners need to be the biggest L5U fans on the planet for the rest of the year to have a prayer.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:21 am to Irons Puppet
quote:Ridiculous, and the 2011 situation actually proves it. Considering that the playoffs are designed to have the best four teams play for the title, the 21-0 Alabama blowout proves you wrong.
I agree, but it is the only argument that a team can make that they belong in the Playoff. The argument really loses credibility if you do not win at least your division.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:23 am to TideWarrior
You are off your hinges if you think that UL would get in before LSU if LSU were to win out.
This would mean that LSU beat Bama (#1), A&M (#4), UF (#11) and UF again in the SECCG with losses to #8 Wisky and #9 Auburn meanwhile UL has lost to Clemson (#2) and beaten FSU (#22). They have Houston coming up , but they aren't even ranked lol.
All we need is to win out and have bama beat Auburn in the Iron Bowl and LSU is a lock, period.
This would mean that LSU beat Bama (#1), A&M (#4), UF (#11) and UF again in the SECCG with losses to #8 Wisky and #9 Auburn meanwhile UL has lost to Clemson (#2) and beaten FSU (#22). They have Houston coming up , but they aren't even ranked lol.
All we need is to win out and have bama beat Auburn in the Iron Bowl and LSU is a lock, period.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:27 am to coachcrisp
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Ridiculous, and the 2011 situation actually proves it. Considering that the playoffs are designed to have the best four teams play for the title, the 21-0 Alabama blowout proves you wrong.
The pushback from 2011 created the 4 team playoff. The four best teams is still very subjective and the committee will be very reluctant in leaving a Conference Champion out over a team that did not win their division. The committee is cognizant of the geography of College Football and the need for equality within the Power 5.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:29 am to MrSpock
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If you lose to LSU and LSU does not lose again you will not make SEC title game.
Bama still goes to CFP at 11-1
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:30 am to llfshoals
This pretty much. A&M fans are delusional if they think they have a prayer to get in without an LSU win this weekend. They need :
LSU win over Bama. Auburn Loss to Bama. Beat LSU on turkeyday. This is there only shot. The committee will NOT put them in over an undefeated conference champ. It just won't happen.
LSU win over Bama. Auburn Loss to Bama. Beat LSU on turkeyday. This is there only shot. The committee will NOT put them in over an undefeated conference champ. It just won't happen.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:31 am to thunderbird1100
Nah. It would then be Clemson 1, Michigan 2, Washington 3, LSU 4. Bama 5. A&M 6.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 10:39 am to BDJ
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Nah. It would then be Clemson 1, Michigan 2, Washington 3, LSU 4. Bama 5. A&M 6.
There's little to no chance they take 10-2 LSU over 11-1 Bama despite even beating them. 2 losses is the crux on us this year. We aren't making the playoff unless A LOT of teams lose some games.
Also not sure why you have A&M 6th. Are you assuming UL loses another game?
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 10:43 am
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