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re: Auburn fans - Why was Harsin sabotaged?

Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:36 am to
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
21304 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:36 am to
Sabotaged? Not really. He was a bad hire from day 1. He either can't or won't recruit, can't come up with a winning game plan, and has the personality of a rabid raccoon. He might be ok in a less demanding conference but is completely unfit for an SEC job.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
14480 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:39 am to
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This is a really good post because it clears up my understanding of the situation.


No, it just confirms what you want to hear about those awful good ole boys that are ruining Auburn’s program.
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:41 am to
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It is a QB leave. Without a QB, you suck. Not just an Auburn issue.


I think that's fair. But isn't Harsin's job to get players to fill the positions? Part of me hopes you guys keep him the rest of the season. I haven't researched this and I might be forgetting a game, but I think I would have to go back to 1991 for the last time Bama lost by so much. I don't think either Dubose or Shula ever took a beating like that. this is where Auburn is. Not trying to troll you, my point is that I think Auburn should metaphorically punt. Fire him right now and get a nice jump on the coaching search we already know is coming.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 7:43 am
Posted by ReversePiggie
In non-Arkansas US
Member since Sep 2021
3877 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:50 am to
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I think he really thought he could evaluate and vet to such a high degree that it would overcome talent advantages in the SEC.

Mind boggling. Cruitin is/was his primary job. Standing on the sidelines on 12 Saturday's with a headset is secondary.
Posted by AUreo
Member since Jul 2021
2255 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:51 am to
I think it all started internally when Harsin was forced to hire Bobo and Mason. Things got ugly when Harsin fired CWill and hired his Boise buddy Kiesau just after a few weeks (former HC Mason did not agree with it). We were winning some games until Bo Nix got injured ... everything went south then.
Harsin has a personality disorder according to some online rumors and more people started leaving the program (Bobo, Mason, many transfers). Some allegations of passive/indirect racism and more red flags (we didn't sign recruits on NSD, didn't hit the portal)... reports that Harsin hates NIL, etc. Boosters never wanted him in the first place but all of this was too much... btw some people don't think it was the boosters but parts of the administration that actively sabotaged him earlier this year (the boosters just refuse to support him).
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 7:57 am
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6157 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:57 am to
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No QB? Finley is a good QB and has shown moments of brilliance.


I have not seen one "moment of brilliance". He has had moments where he shows he has a strong arm and can make a good throw, but he has shown more moments of hanging onto the ball with a deer in headlights look and then throwing it to the wrong jersey.

No QB is going to look great behind Auburn's offensive line, but Finley wouldn't start for probably any other team in the SEC besides maybe Vanderbilt. A bad Gus team beat him when he was at LSU. I don't know why we thought it would get better.
Posted by VolNavy98
Tun Tavern
Member since Jul 2022
3853 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 7:58 am to
Jimmy Rane don’t want him.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
18488 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:00 am to
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I haven't researched this and I might be forgetting a game, but I think I would have to go back to 1991 for the last time Bama lost by so much. I don't think either Dubose or Shula ever took a beating like that.
DuBose lost to Arky 42-6 in '98, and 38-7 to VPI in the Music City Bowl later that year, and then the 21-0 beatdown at home vs Southern Miss in '00 that essentially ended his CFB career.

Shula's teams did always manage to keep things close, or at least score late to avoid total embarrassment. Lone real beatdown was the 27-3 loss at home to LSU in '03.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 8:01 am
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6157 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:04 am to
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Mind boggling. Cruitin is/was his primary job. Standing on the sidelines on 12 Saturday's with a headset is secondary.





The guy has spent most of his career in Idaho with his alma mater. Boise's program was built long before Harsin took over and in the Mountain West, he could grab a team full of plucky two and three stars and keep the ball rolling. He wasn't prepared for the SEC. You can be the best X's and O's guy in the world, but if you can't also be a politician, a salesman, a cheerleader, a top shelf organizer and a corporate style leader of men you're not going to compete at the top of the conference. Harsin came in pretending he was already Nick Saban, didn't sell his program, didn't make friends with the money, didn't even bother visiting area high schools, fired most of his staff with SEC experience and replaced them with Boise loyalists who had none and apparently his off season preparations were sub-standard as well, because through three games, Auburn looks softer and more fundamentally poor than last.

I'm not a fan of firing a coach after two seasons, but this was clearly a poorly vetted hire from the start and a justification of those who said Greene was not cutting it as AD.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:05 am to
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I think that's fair. But isn't Harsin's job to get players to fill the positions?


That was Harsin's job, and he decided to go the Transfer Portal route to find a QB. Some actual think he ran off Bo Nix intentionally, either way it falls on him and Gus and their recruiting and development. They have very good RBs, acceptable WRs and at best an average OL. With a QB you can at least be competitive. It cost Tubs late, Chizik late and really made Gus average.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
35781 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:07 am to
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We should’ve just severed ties when he pulled his antivaxx BS


Be honest. This is why you hate him.
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
369 Cardboard Box Lane
Member since Nov 2019
13083 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:11 am to
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Does a lot of it come from Patrick Nix because Harsin benched the golden boy?


I don't recall Harsin benching Nix outside of a quarter or two for playing bad in the first half.
Posted by Keith101
Member since Aug 2016
188 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:13 am to
Harsin is Auburn's Curry.
AD hired him w/out blessing of AU establishment (boosters).
Division ensued.
Posted by cyogi
Member since Feb 2009
5145 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:15 am to
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Crappy coaching. Internal issues with coaches. Can't relate to players. Can't recruit. Ran off best QB he had and replaced with nothing. Can't recruit. Messing with little Boise side pieces. Can't recruit. Terrible offense. Can't recruit.

Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
69366 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:25 am to
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He was lackluster bringing in portal players


This is what truly baffles me. He had to see what Malzhan left him to work with, especially on the offensive line. There were a ton of o-linemen in the portal he could have gone after. But as far as I know we had exactly zero offensive linemen transfer in during the offseason. He’d had his chance to address our pitiful offensive line situation and for whatever reason he failed to do so. There’s no excuse. Yeah, Malzhan created the situation. But Harsin could have took steps to correct the situation. He’s not done so, which in my opinion, is grounds for his immediate dismissal.
Posted by Gozer The Gozerian
Member since Oct 2019
156 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:29 am to
Sabotage? Yes, there have been elements of that. But most of the issues are self-inflicted and have already been chronicled. You can be the biggest dickhead in the room and isolate yourself on an island if you want. And lots of highly successful coaches have moments when you cannot stand to be around them. Dickhead just can't be the default position 99% of the time. Be that if you want Coach, but you better win and win big. Otherwise when the losses and embarrassments pile up, there are no allies.

Here is an indication from early 2020 this hire had face plant potential.

Drinkwitz has been a part of five conference championships and a national championship. Last year's Sun Belt title was his third. Drinkwitz previously won the league as an assistant under Gus Malzahn (2012) and Bryan Harsin (2013) at Arkansas State. Harsin then took him to Boise State where the Broncos won the Mountain West in 2014.

That sparks Drinkwitz's two versions of Harsin, now the game's eighth-winningest active FBS coach.

"'Hars' is a hell of a guy," Drinkwitz said, "'Bryan' is a dickhead. Whichever one shows up to work, you know what the rest of the day is going to be like.

"If 'Hars' walks in, you're like, 'This is going to be a great day.' When 'Bryan' calls you a mother f'er on third down because you didn't get a conversion, here we go. Put your hard hat on."



CBS - Eli Drinkwitz did not top Mizzou's list
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 8:47 am to
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BETTER QUESTION. Why was he hired?


Because the President got pissed that the AD was left out and gave him full authority to make the hire himself. New President now, new AD.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31203 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:15 am to
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This is what truly baffles me. He had to see what Malzhan left him to work with, especially on the offensive line. There were a ton of o-linemen in the portal he could have gone after. But as far as I know we had exactly zero offensive linemen transfer in during the offseason. He’d had his chance to address our pitiful offensive line situation and for whatever reason he failed to do so. There’s no excuse. Yeah, Malzhan created the situation. But Harsin could have took steps to correct the situation. He’s not done so, which in my opinion, is grounds for his immediate dismissal.

It seemed he ignored the oline and when he failed to pull any from the portal he went to his roster and talked your veterans into returning for their super senior year. Brahms pre-season injury was a huge blow which only compounded things for the entire oline.

That online looked atrocious vs PSU and Manny Diaz put his defense in attack mode and they feasted. For whatever reason Tank Bigsby refused to block to help his QB and Finley is too dang slow to work behind a line that's getting trucked non-stop. Ashford is more mobile than TJ and he even struggled behind that line.

Whoever AU hires absolutely has to address the lines on both sides first and then get a QB(s) to fit his system. Patience is probably running thin among the fan base & boosters as the clock ticks down to OU/UT joining the conference and the CFP expansion.


Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
75866 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:18 am to
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We should’ve just severed ties when he pulled his antivaxx BS


That is one of the few reasons to support him.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
21746 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 9:20 am to
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Why was Harsin sabotaged?

The important people who throw down large sums of money in support could see that the guy was in over his head.

Not to mention Harsin is apparently incredibly hard to get along with. He treats people like shite and has an ego the size of Idaho.
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