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re: Auburn admin seems to have unrealistic expectations
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:42 pm to C Nite
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:42 pm to C Nite
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You have ONE Natty to show for it and that Natty was severely scrutinized with the $cam stuff.
One Natty every 50 years isn't remotely elite.
You have become the biggest dumbass Bammer on here (that is saying alot with cajunbama still around). I never said they were elite, but they had opportunities to become elite and the coaches there dropped the ball or got lazy.
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:44 pm to CapstoneGrad06
quote:Auburn had no choice, Gus stated that a 6-4 season was a solid year in one of his pressers. He was made to come back and retract that statement a day or two later in another presser. He had to go, no matter the cost.
I argued ad nauseam about the subject of coaching continuity with a Missouri fan last evening. Auburn came up but they aren’t really in the boat that I think is the root of competitive imbalance in college football.
Gus had 8 years. It was getting stale and recruiting was faltering. However, you’ve got to make a decision as to whether a gamble on the new guy is worth it. You know what you have with Gus. He’s going to win 8 games most years. If the next guy is a bad hire, you’re very quickly Tennessee or Nebraska.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:48 pm to Irons Puppet
I have no problem with that, nonetheless the barn benefitted more than anyone with UT being a close second during Bama's down years. Once Saban got to town, we kicked your asses back into the stone ages.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:49 pm to tgrmeat
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Bammers have a once-in-a-generation coach and are in the middle of a unprecedented run. Yet, who is on their mind? There are a half-dozen threads about Auburn on the front page started by bammers. It would really be an interesting study into the psychology of this phenomenon. I suspect insecurity is at the root of it.
They do this with LSU too. I think some of them don't quite understand that the stability they have at the head coaching position and run they're on is atypical. We all spend a ton of money on football just like they do, and when people are donating a lot of money, they expect better than average results. A lot are maybe too young or have maybe forgotten Alabama was in similar situations from the early 80s when Bear retired until they hired Saban, with a brief period of sustained success under Stallings in the early to mid 90s. But, if you remove Stallings from the equation, Perkins lasted 4 years, Curry 3 years, Dubose 4 years, Franchione 2 years, and Shula 3 years. No one asked them why they fired guys after one bad season or why they let coaches walk after low-balling them on contracts. Dubose won the SEC in 1999 and was fired in 2000. Shula went 11-2 in 2005 and was fired in 2006. Curry won the SEC and went 10-2 in 1989, and Alabama responded to that by not giving him a raise with his new contract and removing his authority to assemble his own staff so he left. Perkins had the unfortunate task of following Bear Bryant. He had a losing season but followed that up with 9-2-1 and 10-3 seasons, but there was discontent with the boosters, and he decided to leave as well.
I think it's pretty clear looking at Auburn from the outside that Gus was getting stale. When you're getting paid as much as Auburn was paying him (whether they should have is an entirely different conversation), you should be expected to do better than 4 and 5 loss seasons every year. The only season he lost fewer than 4 games was his first, and they gave him 8 seasons to do better. At a certain point, you have to cut ties if you have bigger goals than a NYD bowl game and a 3rd place or worse finish in your division most years.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:49 pm to Irons Puppet
Auburn was never becoming elite or anything close to it. At best....AT BEST....you are a lower tier top 20 program. Elite isn't in Auburn's realm and never will be.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:49 pm to RT1941
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Auburn had no choice, Gus stated that a 6-4 season was a solid year in one of his pressers. He was made to come back and retract that statement a day or two later in another presser. He had to go, no matter the cost.
I do believe the USC Game was the cause of his demise. The end of the season statement just pusher it over the edge.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:57 pm to Leto II
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Our biggest issue has always been producing them back-to-back.
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But elite programs usually put up consecutive 10 win seasons more than once in a 40 year span.
I either urge you to re-read this sentence or look up the definition of "consecutive."
Posted on 2/4/21 at 1:57 pm to Bama2020
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IMO firing coaches the Covid year is fricked up. We let the players have a gimme year, why not coaches?
Players aren't getting paid millions of dollars. I think there was some leeway given to plenty of coaches, but if you were already on the hot seat entering the 2020 season, a COVID affected season shouldn't just give you a free pass if you're still getting paid. Many of these coaches didn't take a pay cut either, Jeremy Pruitt and Gus Malzahn in particular did not, who are two of the coaches fired in the offseason. Derek Mason lost 11 SEC games in a row (15 of his final 16), and 17 of his final 21 games total. He was going to get fired with or without COVID. COVID shouldn't have bought him another year.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:01 pm to kage
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Good buddy of mine worked in the athletics dept during that time and said in Tuberville's last year, he had to be reminded of players names when he'd meet with them. This wasn't just for new guys at the beginning of the year, which would have been inexcusable anyway, but throughout the entire year for a good part of the team.
He mailed it in on the field and in recruiting and it was time.
It's a good thing he retired and is no longer going anything important.
Oh wait. frick.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:01 pm to Irons Puppet
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Auburn had no choice, Gus stated that a 6-4 season was a solid year in one of his pressers. He was made to come back and retract that statement a day or two later in another presser. He had to go, no matter the cost.
quote:I absolutely agree with that. You don't get man-handled on the field vs UGA/Bama and lose to USC, inexcusable. Then Nix yelling at his coaches and teammates on the sidelines instead of being a leader. Gus was losing some of his staff (back stabbers) and his players were displaying uncharacteristic attitudes for a normally disciplined Malzhan team. When the recruiting class started to tank he topped it all off when he made the "solid season" statement in the presser.
I do believe the USC Game was the cause of his demise. The end of the season statement just pusher it over the edge.
IP, you were one of his supporters for years and even you had to admit it was time for a change.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:05 pm to Marktastic86
Ah, I missed that. My bad, you are right.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:09 pm to RT1941
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IP, you were one of his supporters for years and even you had to admit it was time for a change.
I supported Gus because at times it looked like he was going to get over the hump. He fired Ellis Johnson, who cost him a chance at 2 NCs. Replaced him with Muschamp and then Steele. His biggest issue was the side of the ball he was suppose to be a genius at. His problem was alway QBs and he never was willing to bring in a person to correct it. His OL hires were suspect also.
I fully supported the $49M contract for Gus. Not because he earned it, but because it sent a message to the rest of CF that Auburn was willing to open the pocket book. Prior to that they always looked for the cheapest way out.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:11 pm to Marktastic86
quote:When a staff is pulling top 5 pay and in 8 yrs they can't string together consecutive 9 (NINE) win seasons as a place like Auburn, they gotta go.
I either urge you to re-read this sentence or look up the definition of "consecutive."
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:17 pm to Marktastic86
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Most don't seem to be very excited about the next few years.
Most fans I know are actually pretty optimistic about Harsin and the staff he put together. He has as good a resume as any coaching hire this year, imo, from his OC days at Boise to OC at Texas to HC at Boise. He clearly knows how to develop offense, especially QB's, which was clearly not Malzahn's wheelhouse.
We won't have a great team next year, but if we see improvement from start to finish, that's what you have to look for in year 1 and year 2. Hopefully by year 3 he'll start competing, but we'll have to be patient with what Malzahn left him on the OL. That's a 2-3 year rebuild when you don't sign an OT out of high school for 3 straight classes.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/4/21 at 2:21 pm to RT1941
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When a staff is pulling top 5 pay and in 8 yrs they can't string together consecutive 9 (NINE) win seasons as a place like Auburn, they gotta go.
Again, look at OL recruiting over the last 3 years, specifically at OT. It absolutely unacceptable with the money being paid to that staff. It was only going to get worse if we continued down that road.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 5:08 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Rent free
We should start charging it would help with the buyout costs.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:21 am to Marktastic86
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questionable hires/moves
If you had a coach who has lost 4 games or more for 7 straight years would you keep him?
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:43 am to Bama2020
It's a meat grinder. It's not just us. EVERYBODY is in Bama's shadow right now.
The Playoff did one thing. Kicked the Pareto distribution into high gear. The concentration of talent goes to 4-6 schools, with 3 on consistent rotation and the other 3 rotating in and out for last spot. The only way to work your way up into one of the other 3 squirrels that finds the last nut is to change the way you're doing things.
Malzahn was fine for another era (pre CFP) but the game has changed. The pessimist in me says that the sport is beyond repair because the talent gap between the top 4 or so schools and the other top 10 schools is a chasm. But the optimist in me says, since we're playing the game, we might as well try and angle for that 4th nut and hope that the playoff committee expands the playoffs to 16 teams before the sport dies off.
Harsin is an unknown. But he seems to have the organizational skills to put a program in place, not just fit pieces in a "system". It remains to be seen if he can recruit at the level that the program needs to sustain itself, but that's the interesting part.
Kudos to Allen Greene for taking a chance and changing the paradigm. If it doesn't work, then the game has passed us (and everyone else not named Bama, Clemson, or tOSU) by and the sport will remain a dying regional interest.
The Playoff did one thing. Kicked the Pareto distribution into high gear. The concentration of talent goes to 4-6 schools, with 3 on consistent rotation and the other 3 rotating in and out for last spot. The only way to work your way up into one of the other 3 squirrels that finds the last nut is to change the way you're doing things.
Malzahn was fine for another era (pre CFP) but the game has changed. The pessimist in me says that the sport is beyond repair because the talent gap between the top 4 or so schools and the other top 10 schools is a chasm. But the optimist in me says, since we're playing the game, we might as well try and angle for that 4th nut and hope that the playoff committee expands the playoffs to 16 teams before the sport dies off.
Harsin is an unknown. But he seems to have the organizational skills to put a program in place, not just fit pieces in a "system". It remains to be seen if he can recruit at the level that the program needs to sustain itself, but that's the interesting part.
Kudos to Allen Greene for taking a chance and changing the paradigm. If it doesn't work, then the game has passed us (and everyone else not named Bama, Clemson, or tOSU) by and the sport will remain a dying regional interest.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 8:29 am to Bama2020
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Make no mistake I pull for Bama, but changing coaches after basically one bad year is screwball
In my lifetime, Bama has had 8 different coaches. Auburn has had 6 counting Harsin.
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The boosters and admin are wacko.
None of them have fallen up some stairs yet.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 8:40 am to Bama2020
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Auburn admin seems to have unrealistic expectations
Just Auburn unwilling to admit that they're Auburn.
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