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re: aTm fans: Is your band comprised of corps of cadets members?
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:29 pm to DWag215
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:29 pm to DWag215
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The only thing more pathetic than a lot of its members is an outraged loser pushing tired rhetoric. Guys like you. I don't understand why you're so concerned with any possible perception that membership in the corps is the same as actual service when anyone with a functional
Well my claim is that cadets are playing army, which they clearly are. It isn't tired as much as it's a fact. I have no problem with anyone who wishes to play army. I did it when I was a young lad. It was fun.
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Again, you're not setting any record straight
Clearly you have no dog in this fight, which would make one wonder why you are even involved in this conversation.
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Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:29 pm to DWag215
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You pointed out a distinction without a difference for the purpose of this discussion.
I thought it was self-evident. You compared the corps to med school or law school, which isn't a completely valid comparison.
I wasn't directly addressing the discussion-at-large, which I haven't been paying much attention to. Sometimes I respond to posts in a vacuum.
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The focus is on the reason for which the entities exist, which is to train members for future participation in a chosen field.
Med school does just this. Law school does too. The corps, while it might have originally, doesn't necessarily anymore.
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:31 pm to cyde
Corps members don't necessarily enter with an intent to matriculate into active service.
That is an entirely separate matter from the reason for which the corps itself exists.
Again, a distinction without a difference for this particular discussion.
That is an entirely separate matter from the reason for which the corps itself exists.
Again, a distinction without a difference for this particular discussion.
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:32 pm to DWag215
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Corps members don't necessarily enter with an intent to matriculate into active service.
They don't necessarily enter with an intent to matriculate into the military at all, much less active service or even the reserves or national guard.
Sometimes they just want to play soldier.
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That is an entirely separate matter from the reason for which the entity exists.
The corps, as an entity, doesn't exist for the exact same reasons that it was originally founded for. That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:34 pm to MrCarton
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I have no problem with anyone who wishes to play army. I did it when I was a young lad. It was fun.
So did seven Medal of Honor winners, which I imagine is about the only thing you have in common with them.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:34 pm to cyde
For what reason does the corps exist?
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:34 pm to EODag
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They are college students. But if they're contract ROTC students then they do things like go on nuclear submarines and fighters jets for their summer tours. That's because the military is paying for their education so that they can be commissioned officers when they graduate. This isn't like some crazy military Cosplay club or something.
Sweet. Do they get to wear cool uniforms when they do their summer tours? I'll bet tell all their buddies how AWESOME it was at the football games in the fall!
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:37 pm to finestfirst79
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Umm... no. (I wasn't in HS ROTC so I may be as full of shite as I think you are.) Military Science classes where we discussed how to beat back the commie hordes. Many weekends taken up with field exercises. Those two are true even for the guys who opted out after 2 years. And 6-weeks of fun in the summer between junior and senior years, in A&M Army cadet's case at Ft. Riley. And then there was the optional stuff like Rudder's Rangers, which prepped you for Ranger school. The main things I learned from Rudder's Rangers was don't get stinkin' drunk the night before an exercise, and no matter how much dramatic effort you put in to biting a chicken's head off, your hometown buddy is going to outdo you by sticking the damn chicken's head in his mouth. Off-topic just a bit but it really made an impression on me.
All of that sounds awesome. Nobody is taking that from you or anyone else.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:39 pm to DWag215
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For what reason does the corps exist?
Originally, to prepare the student body-at-large for possible military service. Sort of like VMI or The Citadel.
Nowadays, A&M has a much broader focus as a school than it used to (as well as female students) and participation (as well as the actual ROTC aspects) are optional. Students are welcome to join, participate and make of their training what they will.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:40 pm to DWag215
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So did seven Medal of Honor winners, which I imagine is about the only thing you have in common with them.
Which were not awarded while they were playing army as students at TAMU.
And not that it has any bearing on the conversation, but I did time with some awesome TAMU grads. All of which would (and some did) characterize the cadets as playing army.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:40 pm to cyde
You didn't answer the question.
I didn't ask you why A&M exists.
I didn't ask you why A&M exists.
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:43 pm to DWag215
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You didn't answer the question.
I did, you're just electing to be obtuse.
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I didn't ask you why A&M exists.
Membership in the corps used to be compulsory. You couldn't make a distinction between the two.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:43 pm to cyde
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What I'm curious about is whether this is an official school policy or something the corps decided was a good idea. If it's an official school policy, isn't that the kind of thing school officials would inform a visiting team of?
I have no idea if it was official policy, but the CTs did line the field to keep people off as late as when I was in school in the late-late 90s.
It was part of popular belief though, that much I'm aware of. It was just a thing that was often stated amongst students and I'm sure the school didn't mind having a culture in the stands that didn't rush the field back then.
It caused several problems beyond this one. Even if informed I wouldn't be the least surprised if SMU just decided to do it anyway. It was that kind of game in the SWC.
quote:Corps Turds. Yes.
The... what are they called? CTs?
quote:The guy in the raincoat is a sheriff I believe. He either saw it go down and grabbed the guy that started it or was just a homer grabbing the SMU guy. I have no idea which.
Well, this didn't please the CT, so he got up, turned around and started kicking the cheerleader who turtled him, then pulled his saber and got shoved to the ground, at which point some officious-looking prick in a yellow raincoat ran out there and subdued the guy who wasn't brandishing a weapon. (that part always kind of confused me)
These days cops keep people in check along the side lines and for a short while we were allowed on the field after the game to hang out, throw the football and relax instead of tying the wade out of the stadium.
That ended when we joined the SEC though.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:43 pm to MrCarton
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Which were not awarded while they were playing army as students at TAMU.
I can guarantee you not a single person disputes that none of A&M's MOH winners won the award while training in College Station.
No one is confused on this point. Yet you keep reasserting like a mindless dolt.
Why?
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:44 pm to MrCarton
You sound like one of those butthurt former enlisted guys who had a shitty officer or two.
Arent you special. You might try to let go of all that and grow up a little.
Arent you special. You might try to let go of all that and grow up a little.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:44 pm to cyde
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I did, you're just electing to be obtuse.
No, you really didn't. You told me how A&M has progressed as a university.
I asked you why a specific entity within the university exists today.
This post was edited on 10/18/15 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:45 pm to p_bubel
The cheerleaders trip him.
The cadet also splits his pants in the process.
The cadet also splits his pants in the process.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:46 pm to p_bubel
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I have no idea if it was official policy, but the CTs did line the field to keep people off as late as when I was in school in the late-late 90s.
My whole thing is that if it isn't official policy, it might be likened to having someone run up to you and start screaming, "UNCOVER!" except without signs everywhere asking you to keep your hat off. See my point?
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I wouldn't be the least surprised if SMU just decided to do it anyway. It was that kind of game in the SWC.
I don't discount that as a possibility either, though.
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The guy in the raincoat is a sheriff I believe. He either saw it go down and grabbed the guy that started it or was just a homer grabbing the SMU guy. I have no idea which.
I couldn't tell from the short clip. It just looked like some guy grabbing the least-threatening person involved in the altercation from my point of view.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:47 pm to cyde
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Originally, to prepare the student body-at-large for possible military service. Sort of like VMI or The Citadel.
Well, it's not "sort of" like VMI or The Citadel. It is exactly like VMI or The Citadel in 2015. How is it being optional a slight against those who choose to join? Honestly, I don't get this.
Posted on 10/18/15 at 11:47 pm to DWag215
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No, you really didn't. You told me how A&M has progressed as a university.
Was I mistaken in anything I said?
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I asked you why a specific entity within the university exists today.
Because... um... it's a tradition? Whoop?
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