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re: As The Red Beans Boil: Formal request for Coach O to testify at April 8 hearing
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:15 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:15 pm to TigerLunatik
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It would be a terrible look for him if he denies to show up.
Probably so but it would be much riskier for him and the University to agree to show up. Kind of catch 22 but mitigating damage is the more responsible play for him here. Let’s be real, they’re there to vilify him and the school even further. He has nothing to gain by willfully agreeing to appear and testify.
Only way I see him doing it is if his bosses compel him to, but even I’m sure his lawyer will advise him not to
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 6:18 pm
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:16 pm to BLG
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Anybody can make a claim but evidence requires a burden of proof.
This goes directly against what you're saying. Other people are making they claims. They are the one with the burden of proof, not Orgeron.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:17 pm to BLG
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Are you truly that clueless? Anybody can make a claim but evidence requires a burden of proof
Um, false.
Evidence can literally be anything.
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The boyfriend of one of the girls that was raped says Orgeron told him all girlfriends sleep around
Irrelevant.
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The 74 year old lady says she personally told Orgeron about the sexual harassment. First Orgeron said he never talked to her and now he says he doesn't remember. So what happened to the "evidence" of his claim he never talked to her?
You're moving goalposts and changing the subject now.
We were talking about evidence in the other cases, not the security guard issue.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:18 pm to BrerTiger
We're all pulling for O to stay on as coach.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:19 pm to BLG
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Anybody can make a claim but evidence requires a burden of proof.
Yes.
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So what happened to the "evidence" of his claim he never talked to her?
Where is the evidence that he *did* talk to her?
You can't prove a negative but if you can prove that he did talk to her, you might have something. So far, we have the testimony of grandma and her granddaughter. That's all we have. Nobody else is talking and the evidence she purported got torched by a pot of red beans. Need phone logs, something, anything.
That's why this Senate committee wants to talk to Ed. Because they are *desperate* for any more evidence.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:20 pm to BLG
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if you think staff members in the athletics department knew about Guice and Davis but Orgeron, the head coach, did not, then you are as naive as Sidewalk Fan
I think there’s probably a lot of stuff the head coach doesn’t know about and doesn’t want to know about for the sake of plausible deniability. Not saying that’s the case here necessarily but in a more general sense.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:21 pm to TigerLunatik
But you said it was evidence that Orgeron says he didn't know about it.
If that was evidence, why now does Orgeron say he can't remember?
If you ever get into legal trouble you should inform the judge or jury that you didn't do the deed, and your claim is evidence of it. I'm sure that will work out great for you.
If that was evidence, why now does Orgeron say he can't remember?
If you ever get into legal trouble you should inform the judge or jury that you didn't do the deed, and your claim is evidence of it. I'm sure that will work out great for you.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:22 pm to BLG
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If you ever get into legal trouble you should inform the judge or jury that you didn't do the deed, and your claim is evidence of it. I'm sure that will work out great for you
You should look up the legal definition for the word, "evidence."
Evidence and proof are two separate things entirely.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:24 pm to SidewalkTiger
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You should look up the legal definition for the word, "evidence."
In legal terms, evidence covers the burden of proof, admissibility, relevance, weight and sufficiency of what should be admitted into the record of a legal proceeding. Evidence -- crucial in both civil and criminal proceedings -- may include blood or hair samples, video surveillance recordings, or witness testimony. The Federal Rules of Evidence (PDF) govern the admissibility of evidence in federal trials, but state rules of evidence are largely modeled after the federal rules.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:25 pm to viceman
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Now I am leaning that she knew he was kidding and plans on getting some kind of compensation
She doesn’t have legal standing to recoup any monetary damages from Guice or LSU. Which is why no attorney would take her case. There were no criminal laws broken either, which is why law enforcement didn’t follow up. Guice did a shitty thing and is obviously a horrible person but this particular incident is one of those situations where a guy was an a-hole and she needs to move on
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:26 pm to BLG
That's a broad overview of what evidence is, not the legal definition of the word.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:26 pm to BLG
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But you said it was evidence that Orgeron says he didn't know about it.
I didn't say that.
You are the one that started this "prove that he didn't know" line of dialog. LINK
Prove that you don't have sex with trees or that you haven't been abducted by aliens. You can't prove something that didn't happen.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:27 pm to lsufball19
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He has nothing to gain by willfully agreeing to appear and testify.
Only if he is absolutely certain he has nothing to hide.
And even then, I doubt any lawyer would advise him to go. It just opens him up for a whole lot more questions about whatever they choose to ask him about.
It's not a courtroom with a judge presiding deciding what questions are allowable. They can literally ask him anything they want. Not that he has to answer but why go? He's not a politician who has to run for re-election.
He knows that for any Power 5 coach, especially in the SEC, he needs to stay focused on the bottom line: wins and losses. That's the one thing he knows for certain will cost him his job. Everything else is noise. Yeah, that noise could sink him but that's why you have a lawyer to deal with that shite for you.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:27 pm to TigerLunatik
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Prove that you don't have sex with trees
Damn Bammers and trees
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:30 pm to lsufball19
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particular incident is one of those situations where a guy was an a-hole and she needs to move on
To be fair, she did move on until Husch Blackwell dredged it up in their report.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:31 pm to BrerTiger
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It's not a courtroom with a judge presiding deciding what questions are allowable. They can literally ask him anything they want. Not that he has to answer but why go? He's not a politician who has to run for re-election.
Exactly.
The system is stacked against the accused, never volunteer information and definitely dont do it without a legal council present, even if you're completely innocent.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:31 pm to lsufball19
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She doesn’t have legal standing to recoup any monetary damages from Guice or LSU. Which is why no attorney would take her case. There were no criminal laws broken either, which is why law enforcement didn’t follow up. Guice did a shitty thing and is obviously a horrible person but this particular incident is one of those situations where a guy was an a-hole and she needs to move on
there is no evidence or not even a claim that the lady ever even asked to be paid
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:32 pm to BLG
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there is no evidence or not even a claim that the lady ever even asked to be paid
No one said that there was. My man, are you high this evening? If so, I'm not judging.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:33 pm to BrerTiger
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*desperate* for any more evidence.
You seriously underestimate what is needed to fire Ed. If the president feels pressure he will have O fired and just pay a portion of the buyout.
No well-run university is going to die on the hill of Ed Orgeron.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 6:34 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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You seriously underestimate what is needed to fire Ed. If the president feels pressure he will have O fired and just pay a portion of the buyout.
No well-run university is going to die on the hill of Ed Orgeron.
If true, wouldn't you mean "overestimate?"
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