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re: As The Red Beans Boil: Formal request for Coach O to testify at April 8 hearing
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:14 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:14 am to SidewalkTiger
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With two new coordinators who have never actually called plays before ...
Worked out fine with Joe Brady
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First time playcallers dont produce the greatest college football offense ever right out of the gate.
And those guys usually have some other offensive coaching experience.
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but everyone ( Offensive Players) knew who was making the calls for them to win 15 games.
The vast majority of the time it was Ensminger.
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:18 am to BrerTiger
Who's more likely to end up losing their jobs, those who are cooperatjng truthfully with investigators or those who aren't?
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 10:23 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:20 am to TigerLunatik
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That man is a practicing attorney
That is good to know.
Honestly, it was premature of me to float the idea.
The lady has a very tough row to hoe. She can't prove anything or rather has produced no proof.
We shall see if anything new surfaces next week but I doubt it.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:23 am to BrerTiger
Why is the Senate Committee even involved? What are those women trying to accomplish?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:39 am to BrerTiger
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Honestly, it was premature of me to float the idea.
My man, no one has been more reasonable in these threads that you've been. Float all the ideas and ask all the questions you want.
The reason I said he was a practicing attorney is because someone guaranteed that he was wrong about a legal matter.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:15 am to BLG
Exactly.
So are you agreeing with me now?
So are you agreeing with me now?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:26 am to TigerLunatik
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That man is a practicing attorney.
While I appreciate his insight and don’t disagree with anything he’s said in this thread, I want to point out that attorneys - to a lesser degree - suffer similar credibility pitfalls as “medical experts”.
There are significantly different disciplines of law and careers within the legal field.
I’ve seen other posters on here that claimed to be lawyers be completely wrong.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:02 pm to lsufball19
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Only way I see him doing it is if his bosses compel him to, but even I’m sure his lawyer will advise him not to
I'm not getting into the 'did O call her or not' question. That's a he said/she said that almost certainly (unless someone can produce call logs - and they're LONG gone at the provider level) can't be proven.
I also agree that O isn't going to voluntarily agree to testify.
Google, however, tells me that the Louisiana legislature has subpoena power. They've apparently thus far chosen to not use it and instead extend a simple 'invitation' to testify.
Am I reading it correctly about their subpoena power?
It would be interesting to see what happens if they decide to subpoena him. It still won't resolve this lady's claim. He'll just testify that he has no recollection of ever calling her and that's the end but IMO his effectiveness or lack thereof (and I have no idea how he'd do under questioning) would have a big influence on the direction this particular claim swings.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:24 pm to JustGetItRight
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Am I reading it correctly about their subpoena power?
Probably.
They can't force him to say anything meaningful though. All they are likely to get is him repeating the statement he already made and deferring to LSU for all other questions.
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That's a he said/she said that almost certainly (unless someone can produce call logs - and they're LONG gone at the provider level) can't be proven.
Yup. That's where all of this currently sits. Without some other evidence being served up, we have nothing more than he said/she said regarding what Coach O did or did not do.
I think the real wild card is Sharon Lewis.
Sharon Lewis took the call from Gloria Scott on 12/13/17 per the Husch Blackwell report. Scott claims Lewis was there when Coach O allegedly called her. Lewis could directly speak to whether or not that is true.
Sharon Lewis is a black female (meaning she probably is quite empathetic to Gloria Scott) who graduated from LSU in '91. Per the HB report, Lewis was singled out by LSU:
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The only person in the entire University who has ever been disciplined in any form for failing to
make a report under PM-73 is Athletics Department employee Sharon Lewis, a long-time Football
Operations employee and current Associate Athletic Director for Football Recruiting and Alumni
Relations. This is ironic because Lewis has lodged several reports of sex harassment throughout
her tenure.
If she knows more about what happened with how the Gloria Scott incident was handled, I think she could be persuaded to give up the goods. Lewis' statements as revealed by the HB report already led to the downfall of Miles and F. King. What else does she know?
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:32 pm to BrerTiger
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They can't force him to say anything meaningful though
Even if he shows up, he has the right to refuse to answer any question.
However, given his position at LSU, failure to deny serious misconduct under oath could be a fireable offense.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:44 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
Curious to hear some guesses from others in this thread. What would you put the likelihood that O doesn’t survive this?
I’d say it’s about a 40% for me right now.
I’d say it’s about a 40% for me right now.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:47 pm to BIGJLAW
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guarantee you that you are completely wrong
No I’m not. Guice was an LSU student attending a high school football game when this happened. You tell me how she’d have standing to sue LSU for anything. (She wouldn’t). Guice being a POS doesn’t change that.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:54 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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What would you put the likelihood that O doesn’t survive this?
Honestly, very low. I’d be more worried about the other stuff and we don’t know enough yet of his role to really guess at this point in time
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:00 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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I’d say it’s about a 40% for me right now.
That seems really high.
As of today, I'd put the odds more like 5% and I feel like that is still high.
If Sharon Lewis has something to add and it's anything other than "If Coach O made a phone call to Gloria Scott, that's news to me and I know nothing about that ever happening", then those odds go up quite a bit. Ditto for anybody producing a real phone log paper trail.
Those things aside, I don't see who is going to talk or what evidence will be found that proves somebody at LSU is not telling the truth. Verge and Miriam ain't gonna say shite. I think they are all hoping Sharon Lewis stays quiet and says nothing further.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:13 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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What would you put the likelihood that O doesn’t survive this?
I’d say it’s about a 40% for me right now.
Way too high unless something much more damning comes out.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:17 pm to BrerTiger
Maybe I really am a lunatic. I think he's in big trouble. Of course I'm assuming that there's a phone record of him calling her. But, if it is proven that he called her, the LSU attorney already said that they will deal with Coach O if he lied. Plus, I think the public pressure to fire him will be high and that it will he different than the Wade saga. This is sexual misconduct we're talking about and I think the pressure to fire Orgeron will be locally instead of just nationally as it has been with Wade.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:35 pm to TigerLunatik
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Maybe I really am a lunatic.
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Of course I'm assuming that there's a phone record of him calling her
I'm assuming LSU is too incompetent or not really concerned enough to find it, if there is anything to be found.
That's why I'm putting a lot more stock in Sharon Lewis as the key to this whole incident. What HB found from her was enough to sink Les Miles once it finally saw the light of day. Maybe Ms. Scott is mistaken and Lewis did nothing more than report the matter to Verge and Segar (as per their request and Alleva's direction to the AD as a whole). Lewis could easily clarify that and that would go a long way towards taking the heat off of Coach O. Or she could blow this whole thing up in a hurry if she contradicts what O said and backs up Scott's version of events.
Lewis already has a documented history of Segar trying to throw her under the bus. The HB report pretty much blasted LSU for ignoring Lewis and not addressing her concerns. But I assume Lewis loves her job. She's been in the AD forever. Assuming she actually knows more, it wouldn't be an easy decision. But she is far and away the most likely person to talk. She's already shown herself to be very empathetic to the alleged victims.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:39 pm to LaBR4
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Can he be compelled since he is a state employee?
They have no power.
Nope.
So the Louisiana Senate has no role in the appropriation of funds to Louisiana State University? Interesting.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:44 pm to BrerTiger
My thinking is that, although no fire has yet been found, there is smoke coming from multiple locations - increasing the chance that there is something to be found.
This most recent story was seemingly out of nowhere. The lady has no reason to falsely point to O here.
She would have gotten fame simply by naming Guice.
And this is all just from Guice - one player.
On top of that this story is still being investigated and reported on - a year later after the original USA Today article.
This most recent story was seemingly out of nowhere. The lady has no reason to falsely point to O here.
She would have gotten fame simply by naming Guice.
And this is all just from Guice - one player.
On top of that this story is still being investigated and reported on - a year later after the original USA Today article.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:30 pm to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
LSU is involved due to title IX allegations which deal with education and mishandling the cases. The security guard and Guice to me does not fall under title IX. Sexual harassment is those with power using this power to influence fellow employees to have sex and harassment in the work place and does apply under title IX guidelines. Sexual assault was not the allegation and sexual misconduct is a very broad term that includes all of the above.
This may be a civil matter
O said he did not speak with the security guard and then said he did not remember speaking with the security guard. In no way and I excusing the worthless piece of crap Guice
Too many he said she said in the case to trial, convict and sentence a head coach
My comparison of the wade and O was only that both were summoned to meet about conversations over the phone, neither were mandatory and Wade benefitted by not going to the meeting and O should also not go.
No where did I try to compare the two totally different cases.
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 8:22 am
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