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re: Arkansas needs to bolt for the Big 12
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:27 pm to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:27 pm to I-59 Tiger
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as an aside, didn't Arkansas and the then Big 8 have "talks" in the late 70's/real early 80's (before SMU mess)?
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Big 12: Big Eight dropped ball on Arkansas
Lots of talk about Arkansas and the Big 12. Would the Razorbacks consider a jump? Who knows. I’ve blogged about it and written a column about it, and I guess we’ll see.
But don’t blame the Big 12 for Arkansas being so comfy in the Southeastern Conference since announcing 20 years ago this summer that it was leaving the Southwest Conference.
Blame the Big Eight. The Big Eight Conference finally became proactive in 1995, when it commandeered four schools from the SWC and became the Big 12.
But throughout the 1970s and 1980s, the Big Eight was a sleepy conference that did not react to the changing national landscape. In 1976, the Southwest Conference added Houston. In 1978, the Pac-10 added Arizona State and Arizona. That same year, the ACC added Georgia Tech. In 1979, the Big East was formed.
The stage was set. Arkansas sat geographically divided from the rest of the SWC, which consisted of eight Texas schools and the Razorbacks. In this age of individual schools wanting to start their own television networks, Arkansas didn’t even have control of its own radio network.
The SWC sold its radio rights in bulk; Humble Oil sponsored a legendary radio network that brought SWC football all over the states of Texas and Arkansas. But the network was much more romanticized in Texas than in Arkansas.
Arkansas was a great fit geographically for the Big Eight, which in the 1970s played big-time football. By the mid to late 1980s, the Big Eight was an Oklahoma-Nebraska show, with occasional uprisings by a third team. But in the ’70s, Big Eight football rocked.
An innovative, creative conference could have convinced Arkansas to make the jump. An innovative, creative conference did — the Southeastern Conference, in 1990. That same year, the Big Ten added Penn State.
So in the span of 12 years, every major conference had either expanded or formed. Except the Big Eight.
Not every league was perfect. In 1985, the Big East voted to deny admission to Penn State. Think about that one for a minute. Think the history of college conferences would be different had Joe Paterno been granted inclusion to what he had dreamed of, a league of previously-Eastern independents?
But I digress. The Big Eight either didn’t knock on Arkansas’ door or didn’t offer the right sales job. Chuck Neinas was the Big Eight commissioner in those days; the league was run by old-style athletic directors. Football coaches like Bob Devaney and Eddie Crowder and Wade Walker. Not exactly visionary.
Get Arkansas into the Big Eight circa 1980, and everything is different. The league would have been in a position of power, rather than a position of compromise in 1995, when UT’s DeLoss Dodds and OU’s Donnie Duncan put together the Big 12. Only three SWC schools would have been admitted. Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech, quite obviously.
The Big 12 has morphed into a conference of haves and have-nots, so much so that starting in 2011, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M are guaranteed $20 million a year in conference payout revenues, with everyone else given a baseline of at least $14 million. Arkansas would have been a heavyweight. The more heavyweights, the better.
Now, the Big 12 faces a much more difficult recruiting job trying to get Arkansas away from the SEC than the Big Eight would have faced 30 years ago.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:36 pm to tkeefer
Baylor or Tech would've been left out. The Big 12 South would've likely been: the OK teams, Texas, A&M, TTU and Arkansas
Posted on 7/10/20 at 4:56 pm to PorkSammich
Never while texas is there. Never. Besides we are making great money while other schools do all the heavy lifting.
Oklahoma would kill their granny to get in here and would bolt as soon as we left and destabilize the B12 in the process. They would laugh at us till the end of time.
Plus SEC Baseball is the GOAT.
In conclusion: frick all that
Oklahoma would kill their granny to get in here and would bolt as soon as we left and destabilize the B12 in the process. They would laugh at us till the end of time.
Plus SEC Baseball is the GOAT.
In conclusion: frick all that
Posted on 7/10/20 at 5:15 pm to Boyntonbeach Tiger
Arkansas has the most national championships of any team in the SEC, why would we leave?
Posted on 7/10/20 at 6:03 pm to tkeefer
Great post and find.As usual Walley Tux doesn't know what he's talking about.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:52 pm to BLG
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I don't think Arkansas would be very missed.
Bye
Probably not, but remember this. Arkansas wasn't the first school to leave for another conference, but the one time we did, dominoes began falling everywhere and they're still falling today.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:58 pm to PorkSammich
And take Mizzou with you.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 7:59 pm to PorkSammich
Due to geography, I'd much rather play OU/OSU/Texas etc every year. I wouldn't mind being in the Big 12.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:49 pm to DuckTalesLOL
quote:One thing is for sure though...
Due to geography, I'd much rather play OU/OSU/Texas etc every year. I wouldn't mind being in the Big 12.
You could tell us to go anywhere other than hell and it would be an improvement of where we have been the past few years!
Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:02 pm to BLG
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I don't think Arkansas would be very missed.
Aggie won't let them leave...they need the "W"!
Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:48 pm to PorkSammich
We don't need to go anywhere. The SEC is not the problem and the Big 12 is not the solution.
We need a competitive football team.
We need a competitive football team.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 7/11/20 at 1:10 am to Porky
Not sure why any Hog fan is trying to talk shite about anything. The last couple years have statistically been the worst in the entire history of the program and the SEC has nothing to do with it. There are high-school teams that could have beat us we were so bad. Basically almost all of this points back to Jeff Long and his terrible leadership.
The good news is we drained the swamp. Fired Jeff, fired the coaches.. we didn't have a AD in place so we hired that PoS that is now at Auburn.. took a couple hours to see how bad he was and a couple years to fire him.
Now we have what seems to be a solid AD, a coach that people are starting to believe in so the future is bright again.
The good news is we drained the swamp. Fired Jeff, fired the coaches.. we didn't have a AD in place so we hired that PoS that is now at Auburn.. took a couple hours to see how bad he was and a couple years to fire him.
Now we have what seems to be a solid AD, a coach that people are starting to believe in so the future is bright again.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:26 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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Mediocre in the big12 is the same as garbage in the sec, except more money. Just keep doing what y’all do and celebrate being in the same conference as bama.
This is about PIG, not aggy. You’re confused..
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:51 am to PorkSammich
What does Arkansas and Nebraska have in common?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:58 am to TrueLefty
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Wonder why? Might it be that Arkansas bring in no TV. Market and money in general to the conference?
Spoiler alert...Arkansas got invited to the SEC...20 years before Mizzou.
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:59 am to GatorOnAnIsland
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What does Arkansas and Nebraska have in common?
They both kicked the shite out of Florida the last time they played them?
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 9:01 am
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:18 am to PorkSammich
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Arkansas needs to bolt for the Big 12
Nahh... MISSOURI NEEDS TO GO INSTEAD!!
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:01 am to geauxnavybeatbama
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Mediocre in the big12 is the same as garbage in the sec, except more money. Just keep doing what y’all do and celebrate being in the same conference as bamA and Texas A&M
FIFY
Beat Arkansas arse 8 times in a row - making those pussies quit the SEC
Beat LSU's arse in 1990's - made the pussies quit the series
Who's next?
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:05 am to PorkSammich
I used to think that, but Arkansas can’t even keep most of the in state talent as-is. Imagine having OU in their conference. It’ll be a blood bath. A&M, Oklahoma and LSU will take it all.
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