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re: Arian Foster admits to taking money at UT
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:32 pm to sbrian3915
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:32 pm to sbrian3915
Alabama fans havent expelled anything
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:33 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Only the ignorant still think these kids shouldn't be compensated
Then count me amoung the ignorant. How in the ever-living @#$%& are colleges going to pay for each and every male and female athlete their 'compensation' and not go broke?
Seriously? Raise tuition? Guess who is paying for the compensation now? We are. Think about it. If ANYBODY can come up with a detailed plan to pay each and every athlete without causing financial hardship to the school or taxpayer, then I am all ears.
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:33 pm to sbrian3915
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Free college education?
lol. these players have special advisors, tutors, classes, bogus degrees. exceptional athletes are often allowed into schools they have no business being a part of, and the school has absolutely no intention of educating them.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:33 pm to cyde
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Yeah, it's pretty fricked. I'm not denying that. I'm making a different comparison
I agree, the explotiation angle is worthy of a debate. I disagree with that asessment, but unlike the slavery comparison, the way you put it is approriate and worthy of discussion.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:33 pm to Greg09Ag
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provided we have them attend a mandatory class every semester or year to teach them about budgeting and how to save/spend.
A great idea in theory which would be utterly disregarded in practice.
They would spend it on stupid shite and be broke again.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:33 pm to Crompdaddy8
In the article it mentions that he had the choice to pay the rent or buy food. I don't care what your stance is on whether or not the players should be paid, but it appears that he made the personal choice to move out of his free on-campus housing and not eat off of his free all-you-can-eat mealplan that all of the players get. How is this a call for paying players rather than just pointing out dumb decisions by Foster?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:33 pm to PropJoe
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PropJoe
Deflect all you want pal. Frankly, I couldn't believe someone would be retarded enough to compare it to slavery, but you were.
All I can say is whatever Sparky... You'll forever be dubbed the SECr dumbest poster for 2013 congrats!
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:34 pm to PropJoe
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Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:34 pm to sbrian3915
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I agree, the explotiation angle is worthy of a debate. I disagree with that asessment, but unlike the slavery comparison, the way you put it is approriate and worthy of discussion.
Yeah, it's worthy of discussion... but ain't nobody got time for that.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:35 pm to stat19
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:35 pm to cyde
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Slavery may be a bit over the line, but I would say that, given the profits made by the various schools, organizations, entities and individuals, it does border on exploitation.
Uh hummm, ::::: clears throat ::::: yeah, you could say it's a bit over the line given that athletes, black or white or Samoan or Mexican or whatever, are being given 100s of 1000s of dollars worth of free room and board and education.
That makes it a horse of a whole different color than the days of slavery ... and when that one war was fought for taxation without representation and state's rights, among other things.
The dipshit opened up a whole different can of worms with that stupid-assed analogy of his.
Student athletes are anything but slaves these days. They are pampered gladiators at worse, catered-to royalty at best and many of them deserve such treatment.
But this Adrian Foster bullshite about not eating is just that, bullshite, nothing else.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:35 pm to PropJoe
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You hate capitalism because you seem to not like free market economies. These players have value, and its not up to you, me, or the NCAA to decide what that is.
Hates capitalism? Sounds like he loves it. It's up the players themselves and the schools (which act in concert through the NCAA) to decide what the players' value is. Nobody forces a player to go to a school. He chooses to go, knowing that he won't be paid (other than the allowed scholarship and benefits). Yes, the schools make money off of him and his "work" has value. So do the education, room & board, athletic development, coaching, experience and education he receives while he's "working". If the player thinks he should be paid more, he can choose not to go to college and try his hand at the NFL (even if they have a rule about waiting X years out of high school to sign players). I don't see how this is any different from an upaid internship that any kid takes while in college or just out of college. They work for free in hopes of getting the opportunity for a good-paying job in the future if they do well.
If interns and football players are willing to work or play for free, there's no reason their employers or schools should pay them. What's more capitalistic than that?
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:35 pm to PropJoe
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The NCAA has figured out a way to have a multibillion dollar industry without paying the labor.
Im no history buff, but we fought a war for the same reason once.
You really are THAT fricking stupid.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:35 pm to DynastyDawg
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You really are THAT fricking stupid.
You really are THAT fricking mad
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:36 pm to LSU2NO
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Then count me amoung the ignorant. How in the ever-living @#$%& are colleges going to pay for each and every male and female athlete their 'compensation' and not go broke?
Seriously? Raise tuition? Guess who is paying for the compensation now? We are. Think about it. If ANYBODY can come up with a detailed plan to pay each and every athlete without causing financial hardship to the school or taxpayer, then I am all ears.
Olympic Model, Portion of player specific Jersey/Memorabalia sales.
Just because A & M should be compensating JFF, doesn't mean they need to compensate the third string field hockey goalie.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:36 pm to Tennessee Jed
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lol. these players have special advisors, tutors, classes, bogus degrees. exceptional athletes are often allowed into schools they have no business being a part of, and the school has absolutely no intention of educating them.
They get the same oppurtunity that every other student gets. if they choose not to utilize that oppurtunity, that is their fault. For every athlete that takes the easy way out, there are 2 or 3 that work hard at their education and use the oppurtunity they are given.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:37 pm to cyde
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Slavery may be a bit over the line, but I would say that, given the profits made by the various schools, organizations, entities and individuals, it does border on exploitation.
I could say this about most employees working for any major corporation. No one thinks they make fair money compared to the profits their company brings in.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:37 pm to NYCAuburn
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First off, how much on average would you say in "compensation" are football players getting?
From the NCAA website:
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What is a full athletics scholarship worth these days? The average value of a full scholarship at an in-state, public school is $15,000 a year. For an out-of-state public school, the average value is $25,000 a year. Full scholarships at private schools average $35,000 a year. The real value of athletics scholarships is intangible. Without them, many student-athletes would be unable to pursue their athletics and academic dreams.
We're talking 15K * 85 = $1.275M in scholarships for a football team for the year. LSU's annual football revenue for 2009-10 was $69.4M. Obviously the players shouldn't get all of it, not even close, but that discrepancy is absurd.
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Second, how many Teams/AD's do you think operate with enough profit to pay all players?
No idea off the top of my head. I'm not necessarily advocating for paying players -- I'd rather see the NCAA gone and see the players in a formal minor league system getting paid and trained for the major leagues. And I don't know how to get there, the problem is easy to assess but difficult to solve. I was commenting on the fair market value part of the discussion (and specifically a lot of posters completely butchering it and talking out of their asses about it).
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:38 pm to stat19
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(PropJoe), You'll forever be dubbed the SECr dumbest poster for 2013 congrats!
No doubt. Notice he took the time in the last few minutes to change his colors to Notre Dame ... makes sense.
fricker deserves the ban hammer for going there in disguise as a Bama fan, which he regularly does whenever he decided to go full retard.
Posted on 9/20/13 at 1:38 pm to GoBigOrange86
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Yes, but we all have to admit that the time of amateurism has passed. This is too much of a cash cow for the schools, the conferences, the NCAA, the major networks for it to be considered anything close to amateur sports.
And with the passing of amateurism you also have the passing of non-profit tax exempt Athletic Depts...
Players will be given W-2's every Feb.1st...
AD donations & tix are no longer tax deductible, they become yearly PSL's...
Big time boosters looking for the 80%tax break they give on donations dry up...
80% of Universities will become intramural sports schools cause pro sports don't fit their Academic mission....etc...etc...
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