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Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:09 pm
This is a legit question, not a indictment. It does have to do with a team identify and mentality. First off I know the game is changing. Adapt or die, right? I go back to the 2012 sec championship game. 3rd quarter and Ogletree picks up the blocked fg and returns it for a td. Georgia up 21-10. Bama absolutely destroyed us after that. That “F” this $hit switch flipped and the ran the ball down our throats. Definition of imposing your will on someone else. With that said fast forward to the decision Coach Saban made to change and go more up tempo That was a gigantic mentality change. It was the correct move in my opinion and has produced results every team in the country would like to have. Now that this change has gone through complete recruiting classes the mindset is different. Saban use to preach, and Kirby does now, 13 points is the max we want to allow to the other team. Saban hired S&C coaches that are training based on this change made to score more by speading teams out. The Bama defense practices against this. I think losing that physically intimidating factor has hurt Bama. Do any of you think this is a factor in, and to me it’s a inaccurate take, that we are seeing the demise of Saban? He is no question the best college coach the game has seen. Thanks guys
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:14 pm to jcljag
He obviously has to change, but I don’t think it’s the demise.
He has lost 2 games by a combine 4 points. Both games were on the road and one was in OT.
If Reichard makes his FG and Alabama stops a 2 point conversion or makes a 2 point conversion we aren’t having this conversation even though the need for change would still be there.
He has lost 2 games by a combine 4 points. Both games were on the road and one was in OT.
If Reichard makes his FG and Alabama stops a 2 point conversion or makes a 2 point conversion we aren’t having this conversation even though the need for change would still be there.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:21 pm to jcljag
First, Golding with the 3-3-5 defense. To me, that is giving up. LSU has stuck with a 4-3 or 3-4 defense and had been (until this past game with Tennessee) very effective against dual threats. Their defensive players have been just more athletic than ours. Now, Georgia's defense is even better this year.
To be fair, Golding is just backing up what Saban's defensive philosophy has always been: use great technique and if the QB is good, you tip your hat. The idea was that it's very rare that college QBs can make plays like that all through the game.
Fast forward to 2022, every other QB you face is capable of putting the ball right where they want to. If you think about it, this is the one aspect to the newer game that Saban has not adjusted to. I know he knows it but he may just be waiting to confirm it's true. Hopefully he realizes that now and does something about it.
To be fair, Golding is just backing up what Saban's defensive philosophy has always been: use great technique and if the QB is good, you tip your hat. The idea was that it's very rare that college QBs can make plays like that all through the game.
Fast forward to 2022, every other QB you face is capable of putting the ball right where they want to. If you think about it, this is the one aspect to the newer game that Saban has not adjusted to. I know he knows it but he may just be waiting to confirm it's true. Hopefully he realizes that now and does something about it.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:25 pm to cajunbama
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He has lost 2 games by a combine 4 points. Both games were on the road and one was in OT.
This was a reasonable, relevant point in support of your "not the demise" premise. But then you had to go to "if" land, never a strong argument, as we can play "if" forever. The truth, whether you or Saban wants to admit it publicly, is that LSU went toe to toe with Alabama for 60 minutes plus, and when it mattered, one team executed and the other didn't.
Your premise (not demise) is valid, and likely true. Don't weaken your position with specious arguments.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:30 pm to MLawProf
Sorry for not giving LSU the respect you think they deserve 
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:31 pm to jcljag
For years Cochran had so much to do with the intensity and identity of the team. I do think we’ve struggled to replace that. Was he a great S&C coach? Meh - but he had a lot to do with the intensity of the team.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:34 pm to cajunbama
I hope Saban stays around and is an effective coach for another 10 years. The battles between him and Kelly should be epic, and college football is better with him in it.
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:35 pm to jcljag
I think we got complacent. We had reached the national Championship game last year with a young team. Everyone bought in this was going to be the year. If players get complacent that can be corrected. If coaches get complacent you're fricked..lol
That's Bama this year.
That's Bama this year.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:41 pm to jcljag
IMHO in no way are we seeing the "demise" of Saban. I know many fans and some commentators want this to be true but it isn't.
Other teams are recruiting more talented players but Bama is still head and shoulders above most. If Bama had WR's this year, they would still be undefeated and penciled into the SECCG. It took LSU in OT and Tenn scoring 52 to beat Bama, not mentioning Bama had a fg to win against Tenn. They also would've been kicking a fg to win against LSU had they not gone for 2 pt. conversions twice.
The transfer portal and NIL is having a bigger impact than most coaches want to admit. More talent is spread around to more teams. The downside is the fact that currently there is more parody across the landscape of CFB.
The SEC is drastically down this year and UGA is the undisputed #1 team and it ain't close. However, LSu has always had talent but never a really great coach. Now that BK is there, they will become a force and it will compete for talent with UGA and Bama.
Also, if Hugh Freeze goes to Auburn, they will also be a force again and will cause the talent to be spread around even more. Just imagine if Napier gets the ship righted at UF. My point is, the days of Bama (or ANYONE) just dominating the conference for 10-15 years is over. Kirby has been at UGA and is in his 7th season and has 1 National title and 1 Conference title.
UGA, LSU, and UF have a recruiting edge due to those states having an insane amount of in-state talent. UF has to share but UGA and LSU doesn't. So if those 2 can lock-down the majority of their talent, they only need a few out of state players for top 5 classes. It's an advantage that a few other schools share as well.
Other teams are recruiting more talented players but Bama is still head and shoulders above most. If Bama had WR's this year, they would still be undefeated and penciled into the SECCG. It took LSU in OT and Tenn scoring 52 to beat Bama, not mentioning Bama had a fg to win against Tenn. They also would've been kicking a fg to win against LSU had they not gone for 2 pt. conversions twice.
The transfer portal and NIL is having a bigger impact than most coaches want to admit. More talent is spread around to more teams. The downside is the fact that currently there is more parody across the landscape of CFB.
The SEC is drastically down this year and UGA is the undisputed #1 team and it ain't close. However, LSu has always had talent but never a really great coach. Now that BK is there, they will become a force and it will compete for talent with UGA and Bama.
Also, if Hugh Freeze goes to Auburn, they will also be a force again and will cause the talent to be spread around even more. Just imagine if Napier gets the ship righted at UF. My point is, the days of Bama (or ANYONE) just dominating the conference for 10-15 years is over. Kirby has been at UGA and is in his 7th season and has 1 National title and 1 Conference title.
UGA, LSU, and UF have a recruiting edge due to those states having an insane amount of in-state talent. UF has to share but UGA and LSU doesn't. So if those 2 can lock-down the majority of their talent, they only need a few out of state players for top 5 classes. It's an advantage that a few other schools share as well.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:49 pm to cajunbama
Absolutely agree. Some, not me, view this as a bump not a mountain to overcome. I live in Mobile and have alot of Alabama friends. We discuss football all the time. It’s few and far between those who think adjustment not demise.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:52 pm to ellis197575
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The downside is the fact that currently there is more parody across the landscape of CFB.
That's a farce!
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LSu has always had talent but never a really great coach
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:54 pm to NickSwisher
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First, Golding with the 3-3-5 defense...
I never actually expect intelligent commentary here. But thanks.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:56 pm to ellis197575
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The SEC is drastically down this year
My bet is that SEC teams will win more bowl games than they lose, probably a lot more.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 5:59 pm to AHM21
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For years Cochran had so much to do with the intensity and identity of the team. I do think we’ve struggled to replace that. Was he a great S&C coach? Meh - but he had a lot to do with the intensity of the team.
The UGA sports information department had a pic of Cochran going through the Dawg Walk on Saturday and it identified him as "Special Teams Coach." I had no idea he was even back with the program.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:24 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Bama could have easily lost to Texas and Texas A&M and be siting with 4 losses. The problem is the head coach! This season is the result of Saban not addressing the problem with offense last season and the problem with the defense the last five years.
Saban has been eating a lot of rat poison. Evidently, he thinks he can over come bad coaches. He can't. He needs to retire to the lake and watch the Aflac duck do it with all the other ducks.
Saban has been eating a lot of rat poison. Evidently, he thinks he can over come bad coaches. He can't. He needs to retire to the lake and watch the Aflac duck do it with all the other ducks.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:32 pm to cajunbama
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makes a 2 point conversion
Or just kick the extra points.
Guess that’s not on the chart.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:35 pm to cajunbama
Cajunbama biggest retard on the internet.
This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:38 pm to AHM21
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Was he a great S&C coach? Meh - but he had a lot to do with the intensity of the team.
They looked fit as Hell to me, Assy.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:41 pm to Goforit
I think the NIL and transfer portal are killing Saban. They are screwing with the “process”.
These players choose schools based on money, not the correct fit. They aren’t scared of Saban because they can just go someplace else. He doesn’t have as much control as before and he will never get that back.
Basically Bama is a supremely talented group of players but no longer a good “team”…
They’ve lost that will to sacrifice for each other and it isn’t coming back.
Same thing happening to A&M in a much more dramatic fashion.
These players choose schools based on money, not the correct fit. They aren’t scared of Saban because they can just go someplace else. He doesn’t have as much control as before and he will never get that back.
Basically Bama is a supremely talented group of players but no longer a good “team”…
They’ve lost that will to sacrifice for each other and it isn’t coming back.
Same thing happening to A&M in a much more dramatic fashion.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 6:42 pm to jcljag
Off year. That is all. Each team is their own team, this one - largely due to incompetent coordinators, has no identity. We will be better. This is the tail end of this great run. Saban goes out with #20 for Bama.
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