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re: Alliance wants 8 conf. games, 4 with other conferences (2 each)
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:23 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:23 pm to East Coast Band
None of this will happen
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Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:23 pm to BamaDude06
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The one thing that really confuses me with the Alliance is the ACC. It's clear the B1G/PAC are using it to try and at least split the playoff between ESPN and FOX because they don't like the relationship ESPN has with the SEC, yet currently the ACC is the only Power 5 league that has an exclusive agreement with a network...and that Network is ESPN! And they have exclusive rights to the ACC! Surely ESPN won't be happy about that.
I've had the same thought. Just can't see ESPN letting the ACC continue down that path much longer.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:25 pm to 3down10
Half the schools on the sec nobody gives a flying frick about across the country.
Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, the Mississippi schools, Tennessee, etc
Vandy, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, the Mississippi schools, Tennessee, etc
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:31 pm to MeatPants
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Half the schools on the sec nobody gives a flying frick about across the country.
I mean UK is top 15 in revenue nationally.
A few of the others are top 20. Maybe you're overvaluing your favorite pile of garbage in a Nike jersey?
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:41 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Then the SEC would invite Clemson/FSU/GT/Louisville and tell the Alliance to kick rocks.
I can live with all of those except Louisville. I don't want to see the SEC succumb to adding these scrub-tier city schools.
Louisville and Memphis are Kentucky and Tennessee's version of the same thing. The student body at both schools were rejected from UK and UT, so they went to the crummy city school 15 minutes down the street instead.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 10:54 pm to East Coast Band
Revenue by School
7 of Top 10
11 of Top 17
There is nothing they can do.
Clemson schedule would have no draw losing that SC game and an SEC OOC.
7 of Top 10
11 of Top 17
There is nothing they can do.
Clemson schedule would have no draw losing that SC game and an SEC OOC.
This post was edited on 8/30/21 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:10 pm to East Coast Band
So I'll give you some perspective based on what I've heard from this side of the fence. As it stands the end of season rivalry games are safe. Our AD said as much so those games should be fine for the time being.
What this is mostly about is leverage followed by money. The SEC has upset the balance of the way things have been by taking on Texas and Oklahoma. Throw in the proposed 12 team playoff which makes it worse. The thought is that the SEC is pushing real hard to go to 12 (which doesn't make sense because there are never 12 teams deserving of being in a playoff) so they can get a bunch of teams in and pack the playoff with SEC teams with ESPN pimping the whole thing.
The other 3 conferences have formed this alliance for several reasons but first off as a deterrent to further SEC expansion. As mentioned in another post in this thread what if the SEC decided to try and lock up the entire south by adding GT, FSU, Miami, Clemson and/or Louisville? That would wreck the ACC after having already wrecked the Big 12. The new SEC would have tremendous power if that happened. The Big 10, Pac 12 and the other ACC teams have no interest in that happening.
By forming the alliance if (and a big if) these 3 conferences stay the course and stick together they can create an extremely powerful position for themselves. They can in theory block out the SEC scheduling wise by going to an 8 game conference schedule and four non conference games (two each) against the other two conferences. With that many teams in the Alliance they could also create their own playoff and own National Champion if they choose to go that route. Doing all this would help them get bigger TV deals. The ACC needs a better TV deal for sure. I'm pretty sure if the ACC was to expand they can renegotiate our TV deal but there has been a lot of debate about that being the case but if it is and we add Notre Dame then the deal gets renegotiated with Notre Dame and the new alliance as leverage they can make a lot more money as can the other two conferences.
Another angle on this is that ESPN has tried to create a monopoly on college football. I think a lot of people are sick and damn tired of ESPN. The Alliance can open up it's TV deals to all the other major networks and probably create a nice TV package for themselves.
One last thing I've heard is that the alliance conferences have no interest in a 12 team playoff and prefer a 6 team playoff. One or more of them will probably torpedo the 12 team proposal but we'll see how it plays out.
My personal opinion is all of this will lead to massive changes for college sports but now that we are paying players legally college football as we've all known it is about to implode anyway because colleges can't run massive professional level payrolls long term and that's what all this crap will ultimately lead to. Recruiting was already crazy enough with under the table deals, $1000 handshakes and new cars everywhere but now we're talking about paying players and everyone is bidding against each other to get the best recruits and unlike the NFL that has 54 man rosters colleges carry 85. It's going to get really expensive really fast.
What this is mostly about is leverage followed by money. The SEC has upset the balance of the way things have been by taking on Texas and Oklahoma. Throw in the proposed 12 team playoff which makes it worse. The thought is that the SEC is pushing real hard to go to 12 (which doesn't make sense because there are never 12 teams deserving of being in a playoff) so they can get a bunch of teams in and pack the playoff with SEC teams with ESPN pimping the whole thing.
The other 3 conferences have formed this alliance for several reasons but first off as a deterrent to further SEC expansion. As mentioned in another post in this thread what if the SEC decided to try and lock up the entire south by adding GT, FSU, Miami, Clemson and/or Louisville? That would wreck the ACC after having already wrecked the Big 12. The new SEC would have tremendous power if that happened. The Big 10, Pac 12 and the other ACC teams have no interest in that happening.
By forming the alliance if (and a big if) these 3 conferences stay the course and stick together they can create an extremely powerful position for themselves. They can in theory block out the SEC scheduling wise by going to an 8 game conference schedule and four non conference games (two each) against the other two conferences. With that many teams in the Alliance they could also create their own playoff and own National Champion if they choose to go that route. Doing all this would help them get bigger TV deals. The ACC needs a better TV deal for sure. I'm pretty sure if the ACC was to expand they can renegotiate our TV deal but there has been a lot of debate about that being the case but if it is and we add Notre Dame then the deal gets renegotiated with Notre Dame and the new alliance as leverage they can make a lot more money as can the other two conferences.
Another angle on this is that ESPN has tried to create a monopoly on college football. I think a lot of people are sick and damn tired of ESPN. The Alliance can open up it's TV deals to all the other major networks and probably create a nice TV package for themselves.
One last thing I've heard is that the alliance conferences have no interest in a 12 team playoff and prefer a 6 team playoff. One or more of them will probably torpedo the 12 team proposal but we'll see how it plays out.
My personal opinion is all of this will lead to massive changes for college sports but now that we are paying players legally college football as we've all known it is about to implode anyway because colleges can't run massive professional level payrolls long term and that's what all this crap will ultimately lead to. Recruiting was already crazy enough with under the table deals, $1000 handshakes and new cars everywhere but now we're talking about paying players and everyone is bidding against each other to get the best recruits and unlike the NFL that has 54 man rosters colleges carry 85. It's going to get really expensive really fast.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:15 pm to East Coast Band
The response is simple.
Make a pact with the remaining eight Big 12 schools. Each of the remaining Big 12 schools gets two road games a year against SEC schools.
Make a pact with the remaining eight Big 12 schools. Each of the remaining Big 12 schools gets two road games a year against SEC schools.
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:27 pm to East Coast Band
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What would happen to the few already scheduled SEC / OOC P5 games?
We agreed to play USC the day after the "Alliance" was announced.
What was described in your OP won't happen
Posted on 8/30/21 at 11:30 pm to memphisplaya
KY legislature got involved to make UK play UofL so I'm sure they'd throw a fricking hissy fit if we tried to drop the dirty birds
Posted on 8/31/21 at 6:30 am to ShowMeHorns
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I'm with you, Oklahoma State, V-Tech, NC State or UNC over GT imo, but whatever works.
I actually had in mind Clemson and Ohio State and be done.
That would effectively pull any teeth that is left in the other conferences. That would give the SEC the last 14 out of 15 National Championships. If you really wanted to put the final nail in the coffin take USC and FSU. The only "prestige" team left would be Notre Dame and they would just dry up and die on the vine with no noteworthy opponents left to play.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 6:41 am to thatguy45
Every town has a clear upper-class elite neighborhood. If all the rest of the neighborhoods decide not to associate with that neighborhood it won’t make them catch-up it’ll just make them less agile and fall farther behind.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 6:43 am to BuzzSaw 12
That's good insight. I get that the alliance wants to retaliate in some way and regain a bit of leverage. But, what would happen if the SEC decided to retaliate by poaching Ohio State and Clemson, then do away with natural rivalries. (UGA/GT, Louisville/Kentucky, UO/OSU, etc.? Seems that would do more damage to the Alliance than anything the Alliance could do to hurt the SEC.
This knee jerk reaction and counter reaction needs to slow its roll on both sides before all the fans get fed up and just leave the sport.
Thanks for bringing your perspective to the board. It seemed well thought out and legit.
This knee jerk reaction and counter reaction needs to slow its roll on both sides before all the fans get fed up and just leave the sport.
Thanks for bringing your perspective to the board. It seemed well thought out and legit.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 6:45 am to UKWildcats
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KY legislature got involved to make UK play UofL so I'm sure they'd throw a fricking hissy fit if we tried to drop the dirty birds
I get what you are saying....but....imagine all the problems we have in the country and our lawmakers want to focus on sports scheduling.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 7:44 am to East Coast Band
First thing that needs to happen is a move to a nine-game conference schedule. Why have a mega conference if you are only going to play half of it each season? I wish 10+ was on the table, but we all know that’s not happening while the other power conferences are playing eight or nine game schedules. We’re not going to beat ourselves up and put unnecessary losses on our top teams with 10+ games while Ohio State and Clemson are having a pillow fight of a conference schedule. So nine is a solid compromise for now.
At nine conferences games, we each really then only need one solid P5 non-conference game. Several schools already have an annual marquee match-up, the Big 12 refugees could schedule old Big 12 rivals, and the few remaining teams would have no problem picking up one marquee game.
At nine conferences games, we each really then only need one solid P5 non-conference game. Several schools already have an annual marquee match-up, the Big 12 refugees could schedule old Big 12 rivals, and the few remaining teams would have no problem picking up one marquee game.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 7:53 am to JesusQuintana
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Worse comes to worse you just play 12 conference games and you still have the best football in the country.
Or the SEC could schedule non-cons with the Orphaned 8 (Ok St., Iowa St, etc.)
It would help them remain semi-relevant and still give the SEC schools some P5 non-cons, all while giving a finger to the Alliance.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 7:57 am to hnds2th
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Did y’all see the Rose bowl on Saturday? There were maybe 20k fans, no way the alliance is a threat to the SEC.
Yeah, saw it. Some on here thought it was great; I think it is a sad to see college football fading in some parts of the country.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 7:59 am to BamaDude06
ACC would benefit more from some type of partnership with the SEC. most of their schools are in southern states and have a similar culture.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 8:09 am to BuzzSaw 12
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The other 3 conferences have formed this alliance for several reasons but first off as a deterrent to further SEC expansion
It wont stop expansion
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what if the SEC decided to try and lock up the entire south by adding GT, FSU, Miami, Clemson and/or Louisville? That would wreck the ACC after having already wrecked the Big 12. The new SEC would have tremendous power if that happened. The Big 10, Pac 12 and the other ACC teams have no interest in that happening
Funny the Big and Pac say this since they are the reason the Big 12 lost teams as well, very laughable. Several ACC teams would join the SEC today if offered, this alliance means nothing in that reagard.
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By forming the alliance if (and a big if) these 3 conferences stay the course and stick together they can create an extremely powerful position for themselves. They can in theory block out the SEC scheduling wise by going to an 8 game conference schedule and four non conference games (two each) against the other two conferences. With that many teams in the Alliance they could also create their own playoff and own National Champion if they choose to go that route
So, these 3 are pissed about the power the SEC holds and their solution is to be more powerful and block the SEC?
Posted on 8/31/21 at 9:03 am to BuzzSaw 12
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what if the SEC decided to try and lock up the entire south by adding GT, FSU, Miami, Clemson and/or Louisville?
Not happening anytime soon with grant of rights ACC deal. Buyout is much larger than Texas and Oklahoma.
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They can in theory block out the SEC scheduling wise by going to an 8 game conference schedule and four non conference games (two each) against the other two conferences. With that many teams in the Alliance they could also create their own playoff and own National Champion if they choose to go that route. Doing all this would help them get bigger TV deals.
This will never happen because it is so foolish.
1) You are taking away the biggest markets from your own conference. (Texas, OU, Texas A&M, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Etc.)
2) If this happens you will now only get 6 home games...=lost revenue+college student/fan experience. That would suck.
3)Fallout- This would kill smaller programs who need that 1 game for budget.
There are more reasons but in all there is not enough financial incentive to move the needle enough to do this. And overall bad for CFB.
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