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All-time records vs ranked opponents
Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:39 am
*Final AP rankings used
I feel like this is a pretty good indicator of how strong programs have been historically. This is each programs record against the final AP top 25 since 1936:
1. Alabama (163-158-7)- .508
2. Oklahoma (134-158-6)- .460
3. Texas (118-185-5)- .391
4. Georgia (107-184-9)- .372
5. Tennessee (100-191-15)- .351
6. Florida (109-214-6)- .340
7. LSU (104-207-9)- .339
8. Auburn (96-209-8)- .319
9. Ole Miss (63-189-4)- .254
10. Texas A&M (64-231-3)- .220
11. Arkansas (61-224-5)- .219
12. South Carolina (43-211-8)- .179
13. Missouri (43-229-4)- .163
14. Miss State (33-242-5)- .127
15. Kentucky (28-251-4)- .106
16. Vanderbilt (18-251-4)- .073
Here's how it looks including programs from outside the SEC:
1. Alabama (163-158-7)- .508
2. Ohio State (134-143-12)- .484
3. Oklahoma (134-158-6)- .460
4. Notre Dame (142-179-9)- .444
5. USC (126-171-10)- .427
6. Florida State (92-133-3)- .410
7. Michigan (121-179-8)- .406
8. Texas (118-185-5)- .391
9. Penn State (101-165-5)- .382
10. Georgia (107-184-9)- .372
11. Tennessee (100-191-15)- .351
12. Miami (91-169-2)- .351
13. Florida (109-214-6)- .340
14. LSU (104-207-9)- .339
15. Auburn (96-209-8)- .319
16. Nebraska (83-188-4)- .309
17. Clemson (65-162-2)- .288
18. UCLA (75-196-14)- .288
19. Georgia Tech (74-202-6)- .273
20. Oregon (63-177-3)- .265
21. Washington (69-198-6)- .264
22. Michigan State (71-211-3)- .254
23. Ole Miss (63-189-4)- .254
24. TCU (50-186-7)- .220
25. Texas A&M (64-231-3)- .220
26. Arkansas (61-224-5)- .219
I feel like this is a pretty good indicator of how strong programs have been historically. This is each programs record against the final AP top 25 since 1936:
1. Alabama (163-158-7)- .508
2. Oklahoma (134-158-6)- .460
3. Texas (118-185-5)- .391
4. Georgia (107-184-9)- .372
5. Tennessee (100-191-15)- .351
6. Florida (109-214-6)- .340
7. LSU (104-207-9)- .339
8. Auburn (96-209-8)- .319
9. Ole Miss (63-189-4)- .254
10. Texas A&M (64-231-3)- .220
11. Arkansas (61-224-5)- .219
12. South Carolina (43-211-8)- .179
13. Missouri (43-229-4)- .163
14. Miss State (33-242-5)- .127
15. Kentucky (28-251-4)- .106
16. Vanderbilt (18-251-4)- .073
Here's how it looks including programs from outside the SEC:
1. Alabama (163-158-7)- .508
2. Ohio State (134-143-12)- .484
3. Oklahoma (134-158-6)- .460
4. Notre Dame (142-179-9)- .444
5. USC (126-171-10)- .427
6. Florida State (92-133-3)- .410
7. Michigan (121-179-8)- .406
8. Texas (118-185-5)- .391
9. Penn State (101-165-5)- .382
10. Georgia (107-184-9)- .372
11. Tennessee (100-191-15)- .351
12. Miami (91-169-2)- .351
13. Florida (109-214-6)- .340
14. LSU (104-207-9)- .339
15. Auburn (96-209-8)- .319
16. Nebraska (83-188-4)- .309
17. Clemson (65-162-2)- .288
18. UCLA (75-196-14)- .288
19. Georgia Tech (74-202-6)- .273
20. Oregon (63-177-3)- .265
21. Washington (69-198-6)- .264
22. Michigan State (71-211-3)- .254
23. Ole Miss (63-189-4)- .254
24. TCU (50-186-7)- .220
25. Texas A&M (64-231-3)- .220
26. Arkansas (61-224-5)- .219
This post was edited on 8/17/26 at 8:30 am
Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:50 am to AUTiger789
Interesting, but how applicable is this to programs today?
Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:52 am to lazlodawg
ok cool. Its definitely the offseason
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:18 am to AUTiger789
The big eight again...shocking.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:19 am to AUTiger789
The Big Eight again.
shocking.....
shocking.....
Posted on 8/12/26 at 7:40 am to lazlodawg
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Interesting, but how applicable is this to programs today?
Well, considering the subject is “all-time”, then it is highly applicable. Now had he limited it to the past 10-20 years, then you’d have a point.
But he said “all time”, so you don’t.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:04 am to Darth_Vader
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Well, considering the subject is “all-time”, then it is highly applicable. Now had he limited it to the past 10-20 years, then you’d have a point.
But he said “all time”, so you don’t.
I don't know why these guys can't understand this. I think part of it is they really believe that schools like Oklahoma and Nebraska (or Texas) would not have been any good back in the day had they played in the SEC. So they feel obligated to discredit the history of those programs.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:10 am to AUTiger789
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against the final AP top 25 since 1936:
AP didn't even do a top 25 for more than half of its existence. Quite a few with only a top 10.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:14 am to AUTiger789
Yes and no. The AP only ranked the top 20 teams from 1936 until 1988. It wasn't until 1989 that they expanded their rankings to the top 25. I mean, I get what you are saying about it being a good indicator of the strength of the programs. But for 52 years the stats would not include teams 21-25.
ETA
I should have read the entire thread. Koreandawg made the point before me.
It's hard to say how much it would have changed things...maybe not much? Who knows?
ETA
I should have read the entire thread. Koreandawg made the point before me.
It's hard to say how much it would have changed things...maybe not much? Who knows?
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:16 am to DawgsLife
I think there was some span in the 1960s when they only ranked 10 teams, although I couldn't name from what year to what year that was done.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:18 am to UFFan
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I think there was some span in the 1960s when they only ranked 10 teams, although I couldn't name from what year to what year that was done.
Interesting, and something in the back of my mind says you are correct. Let me see if I can find it and i will update this post.
ETA
This is correct. The AP only ranked the top 10 teams from 1961 until 1967. Good catch!
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 9:19 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:34 am to AUTiger789
I get that sometimes you can accomplish a 2024 Ga Tech vs FSU where you win a game over a then-ranked team that goes on to a 2-10 season. But in some ways I think that judging it by your record against teams who are ranked at the time of the game might be a better measure. Teams can move out of the rankings because your team beat them.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:28 am to UFFan
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I get that sometimes you can accomplish a 2024 Ga Tech vs FSU where you win a game over a then-ranked team that goes on to a 2-10 season.
This happens more often than you would think. Just last season:
Penn State was ranked as high as #2.
LSU was ranked as high as #3.
Clemson was ranked as high as #4.
Florida St was ranked as high as #7.
Illinois was ranked as high as #9.
South Carolina was ranked as high as #10.
Arizona St was ranked as high as #11.
Tennessee was ranked as high as #11.
Florida was ranked as high as #13.
Missouri was ranked as high as #14.
All of these schools reached the Top 15 or better and yet every one of these finished the season unranked. Why should one team get credit for a Top 5 win only because they played them early in the season, but another team get zero credit for beating the same team later in the year because that team turned out to be garbage? That makes zero sense.
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Teams can move out of the rankings because your team beat them.
And if that happens, said opponent probably didn't belong in the rankings in the first place.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 1:50 pm to lazlodawg
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Interesting, but how applicable is this to programs today?
Max Starcevich was part of the last college football team to beat the defending NFL Champion. On September 1, 1937, the college all-star team beat the Green Bay Packers 6-0. The Packers had finished the 1936 season 10-1-1 and was named the NFL Champion.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 4:18 pm to AUTiger789
That would be how you rank the top 25 programs right now minus Ucla GaTech Nebraska and Michigan State.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 8/12/26 at 4:31 pm to AUTiger789
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This happens more often than you would think. Just last season:
Penn State was ranked as high as #2.
LSU was ranked as high as #3.
Clemson was ranked as high as #4.
Florida St was ranked as high as #7.
Illinois was ranked as high as #9.
South Carolina was ranked as high as #10.
Arizona St was ranked as high as #11.
Tennessee was ranked as high as #11.
Florida was ranked as high as #13.
Missouri was ranked as high as #14.
All of these schools reached the Top 15 or better and yet every one of these finished the season unranked. Why should one team get credit for a Top 5 win only because they played them early in the season, but another team get zero credit for beating the same team later in the year because that team turned out to be garbage? That makes zero sense.
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Teams can move out of the rankings because your team beat them.
And if that happens, said opponent probably didn't belong in the rankings in the first place.
Perhaps we shouldn't have rankings until November.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 4:38 pm to AUTiger789
Damn..fricking pretty much every stat in Football has UF and LSU equal. It is beyond insane at this point.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 4:40 pm to UFFan
I understand you beat them lowering them in the rankings some but you have coaches like Dan Mullen where his record against the top 25 is much worse when you use the final top 25. Some teams it was clear they should have never been ranked.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 5:40 pm to Gator Fever
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but you have coaches like Dan Mullen where his record against the top 25 is much worse when you use the final top 25.
Well that's because Dan Mullen might be the worst big game coach in CFB history. The man was 7-45 against ranked opponents while at MSU/UF.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 6:54 pm to Darth_Vader
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Well, considering the subject is “all-time”, then it is highly applicable. Now had he limited it to the past 10-20 years, then you’d have a point.
But he said “all time”, so you don’t.
Let me clarify: How applicable is this time period represented by the giant fricking picture below to programs today?
fricking hell man. Context.
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