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re: All Time Baseball Program Rankings
Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:45 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:45 pm to Dr Rosenrosen
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It's a tough call, but putting LSU ahead of Texas is like ranking UConn basketball ahead of Kentucky. It's a bit of a stretch.
This exactly. LSU fans will argue until they are blue in the face that their baseball resume is better than Texas’ because of 2 more titles, but then turn around and tell you they are certainly a better all time football program than Nebraska or Miami because those programs haven’t been as consistent.
They really are quite entertaining.
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Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:46 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Look, I'm fine with USC at number 1, but my formula would have the Trojans at 3. It's a tough debate and you could make a strong case for any of the top 3.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:51 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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This is hilarious. In no universe is 6 titles better than 12,
Is UConn a better basketball program than Kansas?
Is San Francisco a better basketball program than Michigan?
Is Minnesota a better football program than Georgia?
Is Miami a better football program than LSU?
Is Army a better football program than Texas A&M?
There is a universe where simply having an extra national title doesn’t make a program better all time… and it’s the actual universe.
Posted on 6/30/25 at 10:57 pm to AUTiger789
So, using your formulas, ground rules, assumptions, equations, metrics, and guesses, what's it gonna take for us to overtake UTX?
Posted on 6/30/25 at 11:12 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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If this were MLB, there would be absolutely zero debate between a team with 12 World Series wins and one with 8 or 6. How many times you won your division or conference wouldn’t matter at all. USC is the best baseball program of all time and LSU needs to win 2 more NCs to start a realistic debate.
\the thing with USC is they won 10 of their titles over a 20 year span from 1958-1978. Not only has the game frown exponentially since then, they have been largely a non-factor since then. They had a little run from 95-2001 where they went to Omaha 4 times and won 1 national title. Since their last trip to Omaha in 2001, they've only made the NCAAT 4 times. Basically, their program died once the sport grew. I don't think that completely diminishes what they did, but Texas still continues to compete. They're really the only program that has throughout history.
LSU is in a weird spot. They didn't build their program until the 80s. But they've now been to 20 CWS in the last 40 years. They've won 8 national titles in that span. They've also only missed the NCAAT 3 times in that 40 years.
So it boils down to exactly when does it become more of how long does USC need to go without doing anything before maybe they're not the best all-time program? In your opinion, how many national titles do Texas and/or LSU need to win to surpass them? Being also mindful that getting to Omaha is a lot different now than it used to be. The NCAAT has more than doubled in size since USC's dynastic run, for instance.
I don't think there is a black and white answer. But I do know that no one on planet earth right now thinks of USC when they think of college baseball. Creating a formula like the OP isn't going to settle any debate.
This post was edited on 6/30/25 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:56 am to AUTiger789
They have more claim to it than Texas does.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 12:59 am to TriStateAreaFootball
We are the standard bro, everyone from Baseball America to USA to ESPN has declared it to be true so it must be
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:24 am to BamaBravesPackers
This is the thing. As far as the 2nd best program of all time USC and Texas have a legit argument to be over each other. Although, I would side with USC on this one seeing as they have double the nattys. LSU is hands down the best baseball program of all time though. In the last 50 years Texas has won 4 nattys. USC has two nattys in the last 50 years. It would be like saying Princeton and Yale are on level footing with Alabama in the all time football rankings. The vast majority of USC’s titles came when they still used wood bats. In the aluminum bat era (1974) until present day Texas has won 4 nattys and USC has won 3. LSU has more than both of them combined. LSU also passed their combined total in the aluminum bat era in 35 years.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 1:42 am to Scoob
That could be said about us in football as being a “blue blood”. We haven’t done much in almost two decades and can be said for the blue bloods in baseball. TBH. Everything has changed so much with college sports within the past few years it’s ruined that. But, if you have 8 titles in the sport of baseball, as fickle as it is (which it makes it the purest game, imo), it’s LSU. I’m not sure how you can debate it. USC is Nebraska right now in baseball.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 1:45 am
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:02 am to AUTiger789
FSU and ole Miss seem too high.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 2:16 am to AUTiger789
In both cases we have just as many or even more nattys and our titles have been more recently. Meaning we’re still consistently in the mix and win every few years. Those others haven’t won anything in more than 2 decades. If you’re going to die on this hill at least add Princeton and Yale to the top 3 programs all time in CFB.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 4:00 am to AUTiger789
If you torture the data enough,
it will tell you whatever you want.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 5:24 am to AUTiger789
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LSU fans will argue until they are blue in the face that their baseball resume is better than Texas’ because of 2 more titles
Not just the 2 more titles.
It’s the consistent level of excellence that LSU has had over every single program (including Texas) over the last 40 years.
Since 1985:
LSU goes to the CWS (on average) every other year. 20 appearances in Omaha over a 40 year period. Going to Omaha 50% of the time over 40 years is beyond impressive.
When LSU does go to Omaha, they win it 40% of the time (8 titles in 20 appearances) over the last 40 years.
This isn’t just long term (40 years) excellence, it’s domination.
When a program is that dominant over everyone else, there is no question who is the greatest baseball program.
One last thing: in the 40 years prior to 1985, USC was the dominant baseball program. USC dominated everyone in that 40 year period.
You are merely rewarding longevity over total and complete domination. I’ll take the program that has dominated this sport over the last 40 years over the one that has been second fiddle to the two most dominant programs in the history of this sport.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 5:38 am
Posted on 7/1/25 at 8:45 am to AUTiger789
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1. Texas (64/38/6)- 403
Great list
Posted on 7/1/25 at 9:13 am to Tammany Tom
ESPN-LSU has earned title as college baseball's premier program
This article by Ryan McGee explains the flaws in Mr. RPI man’s metrics.
This article by Ryan McGee explains the flaws in Mr. RPI man’s metrics.
Posted on 7/1/25 at 9:27 am to BamaBravesPackers
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This is hilarious. In no universe is 6 titles better than 12,
The early days of college World Series were squirrelly. It was more of an invitational. In 1961, LSU was 20-5 but not invited to a regional (then called districts). Meanwhile Texas was 22-6 yet hosted a regional with only 1 other team. LINK
Edit to add all 1961 regionals. None had more than 4 teams. Few if any had a better record than LSU who wasn’t invited. LINK
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:12 am to AUTiger789
I think there are two separate era's of College Baseball. For the post 1990 era, LSU is clear #1
Posted on 7/1/25 at 10:38 am to AUTiger789
USC historically is absolutely a better baseball program than LSU, the trophies don't lie. BTW, what is an Aubie fan doing starting a baseball related topic, that's like a southerner bringing up ice hockey
Posted on 7/1/25 at 11:13 am to AlwysATgr
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So, using your formulas, ground rules, assumptions, equations, metrics, and guesses, what's it gonna take for us to overtake UTX?
Well keep in mind Texas has 64 NCAA Tournament appearances to LSU’s 37. They have 38 CWS appearances to LSU’s 20. Those are some lopsided advantages by the Longhorns that can’t just be overlooked if the point of this is ALL TIME rankings.
With that said, if LSU went to the CWS the next 3 seasons, winning the National Title one of those seasons… and assuming Texas only makes the Regionals and goes no further, I show LSU would pass Texas.
This post was edited on 7/1/25 at 11:38 am
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