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re: Alabama: Other schools are buying players
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:29 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:29 am to SidewalkTiger
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You are sorely mistaken. It isn't against the law to smoke weed in some states but the NCAA absolutely can suspend players for doing so, even though it isn't against the law.
No sir. The difference is the NCAA is acting here and not the school. Yes, the NCAA could give A&M sanctions but they would immediately be sued because A&M would rightly claim that they had no legal ability to do anything else. And A&M would win.
Yes. They can come with sanctions. But they are worthless as they will be overturned by a court.
Everyone knows this. Which is exactly why people are getting away with it and are advertising paying players.
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:30 am to aTm boy
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Translation: LSU has no issues with paying players. But they can't pay as much as others and it is not fair.
I don't have any problems with anyone paying players, everyone cheats and has been for a long time.
It's dumb to pretend that A&M isn't and it's dumb to build a strawman argument like every Aggie in this topic has so far.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:31 am to BigSneezy
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No sir. The difference is the NCAA is acting here and not the school. Yes, the NCAA could give A&M sanctions but they would immediately be sued because A&M would rightly claim that they had no legal ability to do anything else. And A&M would win.
Yes. They can come with sanctions. But they are worthless as they will be overturned by a court.
Everyone knows this. Which is exactly why people are getting away with it and are advertising paying players.
Oh my sweet summer child.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:31 am to aTm boy
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Translation: LSU has no issues with paying players. But they can't pay as much as others and it is not fair.
No we don’t want to get sanctioned by the NCAA for breaking the current rules as you are doing with documented evidence.
Recruits are showing coaches your offers and the offers are being reported to the conference and NCAA.
What happens from there who knows, but Saban has warned you and so did the conference. No one is gonna feel sorry for you if you get sanctioned.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:32 am to tide06
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No one is gonna feel sorry for you if you get sanctioned.
Quite the opposite actually.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:33 am to BigSneezy
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You are confused. Laws trump “NCAA rules”. Laws in Texas state that any player can get paid by anyone as long as it’s not the school.
The NCAA can’t require a school to enforce “rules” that break laws.
This is the crux of the issue. Many states have very different laws regarding this and we very much need federal legislation here.
But when that happens, it still will always favor the players, not equity among schools.
Bottom line. The way it was is over. And we aren’t going back. It’s not legal to do so.
But you are right. “it’s against the rules”. The issue is “the rules” are legally not enforceable.
Geez, and I thought the OP was going to be the dumbest thing in this thread.
That's like saying it's not against the law to commit a holding penalty so, therefore, a referee (who is a representative of the NCAA and the RULES they delegate) cannot enforce a holding penalty.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:35 am to BigSneezy
Your laws don’t matter because you CHOSE to join the NCAA.
No one is going to send you to prison because this isn’t a legal matter.
But you 100% CAN be sanctioned by the NCAA and your state laws cannot prevent that from happening because they don’t have legal standing over that entity. If you don’t like it your schools are free to leave the NCAA at any time.
No one is going to send you to prison because this isn’t a legal matter.
But you 100% CAN be sanctioned by the NCAA and your state laws cannot prevent that from happening because they don’t have legal standing over that entity. If you don’t like it your schools are free to leave the NCAA at any time.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:37 am to SidewalkTiger
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It's dumb to pretend that A&M isn't and it's dumb to build a strawman argument like every Aggie in this topic has so far.
Let’s get this straight. I’m not defending A&M. I do t think this is good for college football. And I don’t think it’s fair. Or even morally right.
But A&M as a school can’t legally stop it. Unfortunately, they have a ton of well meaning alumni that are influential and wealthy. And it’s totally legal for corporations they own to pay them.
What A&M supposed to do? Monitor all the corporate entities in the nation to ensure compliance? Ask them pretty please to stop?
I mean really. I’m not condoning it. I’m just saying I don’t see how anyone will “nail A&M”.
And no. I don’t like it.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:40 am to BigSneezy
It's no different from any other NCAA violation by boosters prior to NIL you dumb twit.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:40 am to tide06
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But you 100% CAN be sanctioned by the NCAA and your state laws cannot prevent that from happening because they don’t have legal standing over that entity. If you don’t like it your schools are free to leave the NCAA at any time.
SCOTUS has standing. And they will uphold Texas law. You are wrong.
But I wish you weren’t.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:40 am to BigSneezy
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But A&M as a school can’t legally stop it. Unfortunately, they have a ton of well meaning alumni that are influential and wealthy. And it’s totally legal for corporations they own to pay them.
What A&M supposed to do? Monitor all the corporate entities in the nation to ensure compliance? Ask them pretty please to stop?
I mean really. I’m not condoning it. I’m just saying I don’t see how anyone will “nail A&M”
Wow.
You have no idea how the NCAA works do you?
LSU had no way to legally keep their booster from stealing money from a children's hospital yet they got sanctioned for that.
USC had no way to legally keep Reggie Bush's family from accepting a house but they got sanctioned for that.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:41 am to BigSneezy
quote:So your boosters are running rogue? They are acting on behalf of aTm athletics completely without the knowledge or direction of aTm's Administration or coaching staff?
Let’s get this straight. I’m not defending A&M. I do t think this is good for college football. And I don’t think it’s fair. Or even morally right.
But A&M as a school can’t legally stop it. Unfortunately, they have a ton of well meaning alumni that are influential and wealthy. And it’s totally legal for corporations they own to pay them.
What A&M supposed to do? Monitor all the corporate entities in the nation to ensure compliance? Ask them pretty please to stop?
I mean really. I’m not condoning it. I’m just saying I don’t see how anyone will “nail A&M”.
And no. I don’t like it.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:41 am to BigSneezy
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SCOTUS has standing. And they will uphold Texas law. You are wrong.
But I wish you weren’t.
You clearly haven't read the SCOTUS ruling.
What do you think it says?
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:42 am to BigSneezy
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You misspelled Aggy. Be sure to use a y. That really gets them.
Y'all pretend it doesn't bother you but you know it really does.
BTW: You also don't capitalize the A in aggy, because capitalization denotes respect, and no one respects aggy.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:42 am to HogPharmer
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t's no different from any other NCAA violation by boosters prior to NIL you dumb twit.
I used to believe this then SCOTUS had a ruling and set legal precedent regarding payment of players.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:45 am to tide06
If there is evidence then you poor boys have nothing to worry about so quit crying over it. The NCAA and SEC will take care of it. So relax fellas.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:47 am to BigSneezy
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I used to believe this then SCOTUS had a ruling and set legal precedent regarding payment of players.
No, they didn't.
That's the other Aggie talking point, muh Supreme Court.
Let's look at what the Supreme Court actually ruled:
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In a 9–0 unanimous decision, the Supreme Court upheld the lower court’s decision that NCAA restrictions on “education-related benefits” for college athletes violated antitrust law. Justice Neil Gorsuch authored the majority opinion in favor of the plaintiffs, albeit a narrow decision dealing only with education-related benefits and not the larger issue of pay-for-play or other big-picture issues with college athletes. And there was language the NCAA has since claimed as a “win” for itself: It was still free to create limits on benefits unrelated to education.
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:47 am to SidewalkTiger
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What do you think it says?
I think it renders the NCAA rules regarding payment of players by the schools completely in for legal questioning.
Read the Justices comments about payment of players and ask yourself if the court will side with the players getting as much as they can or whether they will side with the NCAA.
We need federal legislation here. Because right now without it, the court has no choice but to leave us where we are.
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:47 am to agswin
Recruiting with NIL = Not legal
Existing players getting NIL = Legal
Existing players getting NIL = Legal
Posted on 7/19/22 at 9:48 am to BigSneezy
quote:Leave the NCAA! If your boosters and NIL collectives are operating without guidance or direction from your Administration then it's best aTm bow out of your voluntary membership to the NCAA.
BigSneezy
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