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re: Agiye Hall Gone
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:00 pm to ChromaticTide
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:00 pm to ChromaticTide
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In their minds, Tua was a pick machine, and then at halftime, he proved to Saban that he was the better QB by making a great throw inside the locker room, and then Saban gave the starting spot to Tua. It was all totally legit, and it proved that Saban was right all along.
I don't know of a single Alabama fan that holds this opinion.
Who the frick are you anyway?
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Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:11 pm to djsdawg
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I mentioned specific games. Is your memory that bad?
Take a quick glance at his bad passing numbers:
Before Tua 2016: lsu, Washington, Clemson
With Tua 2017: fsu, lsu, aggies, auburn, Clemson, uga
What the hell does that have to do with you claiming his parents were watching and getting upset because of how Hurts performed.
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“I told myself if I didn’t play in the last game, which was the national championship game, I would transfer out.”
You say he is lying. I believe him and have fields transfer as precedent. Very similar situations.
Yeah, and before that look:
"I called my dad and asked him if my offer to the University of Southern California was still available," Tagovailoa said. "I wanted to leave. I told my dad I wanted to go to a school where I thought it'd be easier for me and wouldn't challenge me so much."
He's talking about long before the season even started.
And yes, I do think he wasn't being straightforward about it.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:13 pm to ChromaticTide
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There's no point in arguing with the Alabama fans on this site. They're fricking retarded. There's a reason why I haven't even attempted to join the Alabama board.
In their minds, Tua was a pick machine, and then at halftime, he proved to Saban that he was the better QB by making a great throw inside the locker room, and then Saban gave the starting spot to Tua. It was all totally legit, and it proved that Saban was right all along.
Tua was given a good amount of time with the 1st string during bowl prep(semi-final game prep) because Hurts missed some time while being sick. It was said that he made some pretty big leaps forward in that time.
That is the closest I can think of to what you are saying.
I think the change had more to do with how Hurts struggled in the 1st half.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:21 pm to ChromaticTide
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Yes, Derrick Henry was even closer to transferring than Tua. It's safe to say with the modern transfer rule, Henry would've been gone for sure - Tua it's highly possible.
Players don't want to sit on the bench all year behind players that they're CLEARLY better than - imagine that. Alabama fans call this "toxic attitude" and "immaturity"
Derrick Henry played in 39 games over a 3 year career.
As freshman, he didn't play more because his pass blocking was suspect. Still wish we had gone to him more vs Oklahoma, but that's another story.
He also played behind other players who got drafted like Yeldon, Drake, etc.
But the reason why Derrick Henry wasn't toxic and Hall is: You never once heard anything out of Henry about it during the year. He wasn't on twitter crying about it, he wasn't being a bad teammate about it.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:23 pm to 3down10
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What the hell does that have to do with you claiming his parents were watching and getting upset because of how Hurts performed.
It’s the natural reaction of father and player to seeing a lesser player play ahead of a better player.
I have no doubt tua and dad thought they could beat hurts out in year 1 after the 2016 struggles. They just weren’t given a chance. Same exact thing with fields and dad.
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He's talking about long before the season even started.
This makes my point even stronger. He was thinking about it long before the final game.
Saban had one more chance to keep him at bama and he finally benched hurts, who would have left before 2018 if the portal existed.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:25 pm to djsdawg
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the burden is on you to prove what I am making up.
LOL. You take this message board business serious
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:30 pm to djsdawg
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It’s the natural reaction of father and player to seeing a lesser player play ahead of a better player.
No it's not.
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This makes my point even stronger. He was thinking about it long before the final game.
Saban had one more chance to keep him at bama and he finally benched hurts, who would have left before 2018 if the portal existed.
Look, you can believe what you want, it's a free country, but he made the shite up trying to give a lesson to some kids. Check out the wording.
"Wanted to go to USC because it would be easier on him and they wouldn't challenge him so much".
Ok yeah, that's a bullshite sentence. Nobody would ever say that shite to their dad, it was worded specifically for what he was trying to give a lesson in.
And then other quote is the same thing. Was going to transfer unless he played in the game... and he just magically happened to play in that game. Again, it's made up bullshite while trying to give a life lesson to kids about not giving up.
Again, you can believe what you want, but there are tells all over.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:32 pm to ChromaticTide
quote:What evidence do you have that Saban "liked" Tua and Smitty but did not "like" Hall?
Tua and Smitty were liked by Saban, and encouraged by him. This gave them a "let's do this!" mentality. Agiye Hall entered the game with a "Gotta prove everyone wrong about me. Gotta make a big play" mentality. That makes a big difference in a championship game.
Could it be that Saban encouraged Tua and Smitty because they were consistent in practicing hard, and that Hall, despite his talent, would not put the effort in that would allow him to be a consistent contributor?
Posted on 4/7/22 at 3:47 pm to 3down10
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it's not.
Of course it is, and I even experience it in little leagues as a coach and father. I can only imagine how much worse it is as stakes like scholarships and NFL drafts come up.
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Again, you can believe what you want, but there are tells all over.
The tells, which are questionable to point out, tell us far less than the reality of the situation tell us.
Since fields wasn’t willing to sit behind an excelling Fromm again, Only a fool thinks tua would be happy to sit behind a struggling hurts AGAIN.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:11 pm to djsdawg
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Of course it is, and I even experience it in little leagues as a coach and father. I can only imagine how much worse it is as stakes like scholarships and NFL drafts come up.
Well I taught mine to stick things out when they got tough. Quitting for another team wasn't an option.
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The tells, which are questionable to point out, tell us far less than the reality of the situation tell us.
He was a true freshman. Expecting to be a starter in the QB position as a true freshman is in itself not realistic. Hurts did it the previous year, but that was the first time it'd happened in a long time.
Nothing changed from recruiting until the UGA game.
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Since fields wasn’t willing to sit behind an excelling Fromm again, Only a fool thinks tua would be happy to sit behind a struggling hurts AGAIN.
What Fields did doesn't have anything to do with this. 2 different people, unique individuals in unique situations. All QBs and all players are not the same.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:18 pm to 3down10
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Well I taught mine to stick things out when they got tough. Quitting for another team wasn't an option.
Well, this idea is different than your previous comment, which was about Being happy or unhappy.
It also doesn’t account for being stuck behind a LESSER player, which is very different than sitting behind a badass.
It’s also much easier to say this when you aren’t playing high stakes CFB.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:31 pm to 3down10
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He was a true freshman. Expecting to be a starter in the QB position as a true freshman is in itself not realistic. Hurts did it the previous year, but that was the first time it'd happened in a long time.
Skill players naturally have confidence in themselves, and seeing the starter struggle naturally adds to frustration.
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What Fields did doesn't have anything to do with this. 2 different people, unique individuals in unique situations. All QBs and all players are not the same.
2 VERY similar situations. You can’t deny that.
Posted on 4/7/22 at 4:56 pm to djsdawg
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Well, this idea is different than your previous comment, which was about Being happy or unhappy.
It also doesn’t account for being stuck behind a LESSER player, which is very different than sitting behind a badass.
It’s also much easier to say this when you aren’t playing high stakes CFB.
And this is the rub. What makes a player "better"? And who is it that gets to decide that?
Because Tua never won a national championship as a starter. That 2nd half of football against UGA was basically his highest accomplishment. In his other big games, he most times came up short if they had a good defense. With some seriously bad decision making at times.
Tua was obviously the most talented arm on the team. But he was not the better leader, he wasn't the better decision maker, and he didn't have experience leading the team. Clemson absolutely shut him down in 2018, and that was after Jalen had to bail him out in the SECCG.
Jalen on the other hand just didn't have the same throwing ability, but he was able to move the ball.
In the end, it's about who is better for the team. And there are many other factors involved than physical talent.
This post was edited on 4/7/22 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 4/7/22 at 5:05 pm to djsdawg
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2 VERY similar situations. You can’t deny that.
People are unique individuals and do not get their qualities based on things you group them into.
Tua's parents are just different than others for starters. They had a plan and it started long before he came to Alabama. They are older, more mature and understanding. They knew the QB situation coming to Alabama and Tua starting as a true freshman doesn't accomplish anything towards their goals. As long as Tua was being developed, they were likely happy.
You're basically saying his parents were out of touch to the point of demanding their son start as a true freshman.
Fields I think had clashes with your staff and was not as grounded.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 12:48 am to 3down10
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In the end, it's about who is better for the team. And there are many other factors involved than physical talent.
True, but Saban finally admitted it was Tua, but it took desperation for that truth to emerge to him. Had the transfer portal existed, its doubtful Hurts sticks around to be a backup. Thats how the QB position works.
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People are unique individuals and do not get their qualities based on things you group them into.
Tua's parents are just different than others for starters. They had a plan and it started long before he came to Alabama. They are older, more mature and understanding. They knew the QB situation coming to Alabama and Tua starting as a true freshman doesn't accomplish anything towards their goals. As long as Tua was being developed, they were likely happy.
You're basically saying his parents were out of touch to the point of demanding their son start as a true freshman.
Fields I think had clashes with your staff and was not as grounded.
I am not saying they were demanding of their son to start as a true freshman, but it was obvious who was going to start going forward, and that makes the decision to transfer reasonable and far easier than it other wise would be.
There was no reason for him to make up stories about his thoughts about transferring. Its an absurd idea. They were normal thoughts that enter into many young players minds, especially QB's, who are unique in that its 1 primary player at that position, which again makes it reasonable to transfer.
Saban got bailed out by lucky timing and circumstance.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 5:01 am to djsdawg
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Saban got bailed out by lucky timing and circumstance.
I think Saban bailed himself out by being a better manager of egos than most other coaches are. I can almost guarantee you that Agiye Hall will transfer somewhere and enjoy very limited success. If he were good enough to play, he'd see the field. Our WR depth wasn't the greatest last year and he was getting consistently beaten out by the likes of Slade Bolden.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:17 am to RollTide1987
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I can almost guarantee you that Agiye Hall will transfer somewhere and enjoy very limited success.
I’ll take you up on that bet.
Saban once called him “one of the most explosive guys on the whole team.”
One of the most explosive guys at Alabama could start for just about every other team in the country.
He’s also 6’3”, a hard worker, and has pretty great hands. He plays with aggression and attitude.
Agiye hall will have success no matter where he goes, and will be drafted in the top 2 rounds. I’ll put money on that.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:22 am to ChromaticTide
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He’s also 6’3”, a hard worker,
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:24 am to WilliamTaylor21
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He was going to be WR1!
Say it ain’t so!
That’s BRUTAL!
Posted on 4/8/22 at 9:27 am to RelentlessTide
Pretty big loss. He looked promising in the National Title. Thin WR group for Alabama now.
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