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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:37 pm
Anybody have stats on overturned/not overturned ball/strike calls?
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 1:42 am to Fan1958
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:10 am to OU Guy
Is it full time in mlb now?
Was watching last night - and they said 55 challenges -33 overturned, and next pitch went to 56 and 34. But link shows the accurate numbers.
But got me wondering - about umps, wonder how that will affect them as they grow accustomed to it? I guess the hope is - ump makes the call- sees he was wrong and immediately says ok- my zone needs to be altered and so on. But has to be a degree of pressure that sets in.
Like how it’s set up where catcher can’t get input from dugout - has to make challenge right there on his own.
Either way - I’m conflicted on it - I mean, shite I def like it when it goes my teams way, and like how it corrects a call- also recognizes a pitchers great pitch. But at same time - the whole purity of the game.
Will be interesting to see how it progresses
Was watching last night - and they said 55 challenges -33 overturned, and next pitch went to 56 and 34. But link shows the accurate numbers.
But got me wondering - about umps, wonder how that will affect them as they grow accustomed to it? I guess the hope is - ump makes the call- sees he was wrong and immediately says ok- my zone needs to be altered and so on. But has to be a degree of pressure that sets in.
Like how it’s set up where catcher can’t get input from dugout - has to make challenge right there on his own.
Either way - I’m conflicted on it - I mean, shite I def like it when it goes my teams way, and like how it corrects a call- also recognizes a pitchers great pitch. But at same time - the whole purity of the game.
Will be interesting to see how it progresses
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:20 am to goat
If they can do it as fast as it was in the tournament, I'm good with it. I liked the format.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:24 am to Scoob
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If they can do it as fast as it was in the tournament, I'm good with it. I liked the format.
Yeah- that is def an attribute - it is very quick - so much as first time I saw it - they showed the graphic - I thogut that was just the sec network filling time/ like showing replay- didn’t realize it was the actual review.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:37 am to Scoob
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If they can do it as fast as it was in the tournament, I'm good with it. I liked the format.
I love the ultra fast turnaround time. It makes ZERO sense to not utilize this moving forward.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:31 am to Fan1958
I know it is a small sample size - but over 60% of challenges are overturned? (mlb is around 52-54% I think). Hell, Mizzou alone won 8 of 10 challenges - (7 of 8 in one game) Maybe we do need robot umpires.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:06 am to LOTOTiger
it's definitely a step in the right direction because umps across college are so inconsistent
they need to implement it in Omaha for sure
they need to implement it in Omaha for sure
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:18 am to Fan1958
I think it has been pretty seamless, but it just blows my mind how hard wired we are to trust technology. Not me. I don't think these replays are 100% correct. But they are probably pretty close. I do not trust the science, and am amazed that everyone else does.
I guess I am an ABS denier.
I guess I am an ABS denier.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:21 am to goat
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Yeah- that is def an attribute - it is very quick - so much as first time I saw it - they showed the graphic - I thogut that was just the sec network filling time/ like showing replay- didn’t realize it was the actual review.
The amount of technology making it possible is insane though, and the $$$ to pay for the equipment has to come from somewhere. Technology is only good for a couple / few years and then has to be replaced as well.
I mean, I expect ABS to go to college stadiums, but let me tell you - you have to have a pretty insane infrastructure already to handle the "trial run" of ABS like the SEC is doing, I don't know if Omaha current has what is needed for the trial run, I know they told the ABS people no this year, but I didn't pry into why.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:24 am to bigDgator
I think ABS could certainly be manipulated. I don’t know that it’s 100% accurate and there are many factors that could wreck the calibration of it. What I do know is the umpires are certainly nowhere close to 100% accurate and are def susceptible to manipulation.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:28 am to pgaddxn
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I think ABS could certainly be manipulated. I don’t know that it’s 100% accurate and there are many factors that could wreck the calibration of it. What I do know is the umpires are certainly nowhere close to 100% accurate and are def susceptible to manipulation.
Yeah I don't think it is being manipulated, although it could be. I just think the science isn't exact, but I would have no idea how to question it or make it better. I do think it is an improvement and will only get better. I just know that when new technology comes out and we think it is the greatest thing, 20 years down the road we are always laughing at how archaic it was.
But I haven't heard a single person question it, which truthfully is a little scary, as we slowly let the machines take over our decicion making.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:35 am to bigDgator
I guess I mean manipulated in its truest form, not necessarily in a devious meaning. Manipulated as in how do we know the positioning of every sensor, scanner, laser and measurement is exactly accurate to the perceived strike zone above the plate and each individual.
As for the umpires, I mean manipulated in its most devious form. They can be manipulated by money, pride, anger or fandom. Thats just human nature.
As for the umpires, I mean manipulated in its most devious form. They can be manipulated by money, pride, anger or fandom. Thats just human nature.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:44 am to LOTOTiger
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Maybe we do need robot umpires.
I spent a good part of a week ago watching clips of Bobby Cox getting tossed from games and stories about how the players thought it was great (and set him up to get tossed a few times). I had some die hard Braves roommates in college and watching him go off was highly entertaining.
Coaches arguing with umps is a sideshow but a big part of the tradition. It would be kinda sad thinking you won't get close to as many Cox like blowups in the future.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:53 am to PeleofAnalytics
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It would be kinda sad thinking you won't get close to as many Cox like blowups in the future.
I totally get that and I have been, and still am for the most part, in the camp of leave things alone. I feel a lot of the rule changes in MLB and coming to college are taking a significant human element away from the game. I heard Yadier Molina interviewed the other night, he said he "...would have HATED ABS" - of course he made such a difference framing pitches and getting strikes that were not strikes, was a big part of what made him special and one of the best ever at the position. I guess that now changes to being really good at knowing when to challenge a call - doesn't seem the same to me. Same thing goes for pitchcom vs. flashing signs, there was an art/beauty to how well some catchers/coaches could give signs without the opposition picking them up (thanks largely to Houston's cam and can we lost that too).
But the umps have to be more consistent or it's going to keep going the way it is.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:06 am to bigDgator
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I think it has been pretty seamless, but it just blows my mind how hard wired we are to trust technology. Not me. I don't think these replays are 100% correct. But they are probably pretty close. I do not trust the science, and am amazed that everyone else does.
I guess I am an ABS denier.
Agree, its been pretty fast which is a good thing. I like that the player has to respond within 2-3 seconds to challenge. And only 3 lost challenges per game.
What we need now is to take this data and analyze it after the fact to validate all the information and see if any flaws show up.
This was a great time to use it with all games in one place so all teams got the same setup. If it expands into all ballparks then you will need specialists to make sure its calibrated properly and thats where it could be manipulated.
The problem with using it now is once playoffs begin and no ABS the SEC fans will be screaming for it when they see obvious bad calls. Because they see it now and won’t then it will be like going backwards.
I could see someday a counter being made up. With computing power packaged so small. You could put a small camera in computing glasses that when pitch is just being released it could quickly analyze the first 30 feet and based on prior pitcher data could already tell if its likely a strike or not. And would give a slight vibration which tells you its a strike so you know to swing. Far fetched but not impossible.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:52 am to Fan1958
Curiel turning around beating his chest saying "I know the zone" was fricking cinema.
Bout time these umps got checked
Bout time these umps got checked
Posted on 5/21/26 at 11:53 am to BrohemAlem11
Was it .2 inches off like most of these “wins”?
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:10 pm to pgaddxn
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I guess I mean manipulated in its truest form, not necessarily in a devious meaning. Manipulated as in how do we know the positioning of every sensor, scanner, laser and measurement is exactly accurate to the perceived strike zone above the plate and each individual.
I was at the Met when they calibrate it - it would be hard for this system to be wrong in this regard. They have so many cameras and sensors pointed at the plate in so many areas and running at a higher fps than the human eye... They could see the wings on a gnat riding the ball, it's absolutely insane.
To calculate it... They basically have an entire server room full equipment to run the processes
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:02 pm to BaddestAndvari
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I don't know if Omaha current has what is needed for the trial run, I know they told the ABS people no this year, but I didn't pry into why.
Omaha is a Triple A stadium. I think the ABS was tested at the Triple A level before being used in MLB thus don't know why couldn't be used in the CWS.
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