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re: A coach that did well for you, but was never truly embraced.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:48 am to BamaInHsv
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:48 am to BamaInHsv
quote:Try a little reading comprehension bud. I just said he was a coach that did well for Bama that wasn't truly embraced. I never said he deserved to be embraced by the fan base. The same goes for Bowden at AU. I don't think he deserves to be embraced by fans, but he arguably did well for AU.
Go frick yourself. Seriously.
Mike Shula took over our program when no one else wanted it... did the very best he could, and no one liked him. I will always appreciate that.
Franchione was looking for a meal ticket, and he fricked himself HARD. Justice is good.
You're a fricking idiot for assuming we would ever want to embrace that asswipe.
BTW, as far as Fran goes, even before he bolted Bama, he was helping rebuild the program and was having some success, but was still never embraced during that time because he was viewed as an outsider.
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Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:49 am to VenturaHog
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ou Holtz.
Interesting because I would say the same thing for us. For the first three years, including 0-11, we loved loved Lou Holtz. We felt Lou was building a program that could finally compete in the SEC.
The last three years were terrible. He pretty much quit coaching and left things up to Skip -- which would have been fine except Lou interfered enough to screw things up. There was no discipline; recruiting was terrible; and the gameplanning was abysmal.
Things reached a head with the brawl at Clemson in 2005 -- which, by the way, was pretty much instigated by our players. We had no chance to win that game because we had no gameplan -- the players knew it and they were pissed off at the coaches. It was a truly ugly ending for Lou's career -- and is doubly sad because he had the chance to leave a real legacy at USC.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:49 am to crimsonsaint
Love the OBC for being a Gator, and taking us to the next level.
Love corch for what he did when he took over. Loved the man he was, but I didn't care about the Daz propping.
Muschamp is growing on me, but he has to win to be embraced like those two above.
Love corch for what he did when he took over. Loved the man he was, but I didn't care about the Daz propping.
Muschamp is growing on me, but he has to win to be embraced like those two above.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 8:50 am to crimsonsaint
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Puhlease. Shula was fricked from the get go with the NCAA sanctions. No 5* recruits wanted to play for Alabama when they were on probation. Dude was fighting an uphill battle the entire time he was at Bama.
That said, some of his game day coaching pissed me off to no end. But I still appreciate him taking the job when no one else would.
He only took the job because he never would have gotten a head coaching job elsewhere. He's a decent QB coach but was a horrible OC for Tampa.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:07 am to austingator
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Muschamp is growing on me, but he has to win to be embraced like those two above.
Muschamp has the toughest coaching job in the world: following the OBC and Meyer; while trying to be embraced by an SEC fanbase; and contend for championships in college football's most difficult conference.
They say it's difficult to "follow the man". Muschamp has to follow in the footsteps of two greats.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:08 am to Bench McElroy
I'm not saying he's a great coach or anything. But if he had been hired after Saban, likes Miles was, I think he would have just as much success as Miles has had.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:13 am to crimsonsaint
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I'm not saying he's a great coach or anything. But if he had been hired after Saban, likes Miles was, I think he would have just as much success as Miles has had.
Miles is a much better recruiter though. Shula would have had great success early on but their program would have started to decline after his third or fourth year like Coker at Miami.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:17 am to crimsonsaint
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I'm not saying he's a great coach or anything. But if he had been hired after Saban, likes Miles was, I think he would have just as much success as Miles has had.
I appreciate what Shula did at the time. I don't think a lot of people realize how bad our situation was while he was coach. But saying that he would have gone on to win a MNC like Miles is a bit of a stretch. Shula didn't exactly run a tight ship and could have never had a team truly prepared to compete at a high level. Miles has kept that train at LSU running. On top of it all Shula certainly couldn't recruit like like Miles has.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:18 am to Bench McElroy
Shula's downfall was not being able to land Tebow.
Had he gotten him, you guys would have statues of both Shula and Tebow after they won BAMA back to back MNCs in 07 and 08.
But it just didn't work out and now you guys had to settle for Saban and his single solitary MNC.
Had he gotten him, you guys would have statues of both Shula and Tebow after they won BAMA back to back MNCs in 07 and 08.
But it just didn't work out and now you guys had to settle for Saban and his single solitary MNC.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:18 am to G8RnGA
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Shula's downfall was not being able to land Tebow.
Had he gotten him, you guys would have statues of both Shula and Tebow after they won BAMA back to back MNCs in 07 and 08.
duh.
This post was edited on 4/26/11 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:20 am to Damn Good Dawg
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you really think he would have won without the spread option silliness?
shhhhhhh. Was not serious, but hoping Bama fans do not realize that, so I can see their reactions.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:21 am to G8RnGA
ok i'll fix it
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:22 am to Damn Good Dawg
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:24 am to G8RnGA
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Had he gotten him, you guys would have statues of both Shula and Tebow after they won BAMA back to back MNCs in 07 and 08.
You're really overrating Tebow quite a bit. Tebow had a GREAT offensive system built around his skills and an obscene amount of talent to work with at Florida. He wouldn't have had either of those things at Alabama under Shula.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:28 am to Bench McElroy
haha he still fell for it g8r 
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:29 am to WDE24
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Franchione at Bama.
Tubberville at OM?
These two guys were well embraced by these schools. Only after they left, and the way they left, were they not embraced.
I don't think they fit the criteria, because both were truly embraced while they were still at the schools.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:32 am to RolltidePA
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On top of it all Shula certainly couldn't recruit like like Miles has.
LSU is a pretty easy sell to premium recruits right now. Alabama, in the early 2000s, not so much.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:39 am to crimsonsaint
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LSU is a pretty easy sell to premium recruits right now. Alabama, in the early 2000s, not so much.
True. True. Miles walked into a slam dunk situation. And I guess you could say that Shula did find some lower rated gems and did a decent job of developing them. But I still question how he ran the team, Bama was a soft team with some serious late game issues.
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:50 am to RolltidePA
regardless of what may have been, I think we're all glad Shula is gone and Saban is in the house. 
Posted on 4/26/11 at 9:52 am to WDE24
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two seasons and an in-the-dark-of-night exit does not give a fanbase a long time to "truly embrace" a coach...
He still fits the criteria. I guess I could go with Bill Curry then.
Definately Curry. The majority of the fanbase loved Francione. It was only after he bolted that everyone hated him. Remember "Hold The Rope".
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