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Posted on 12/21/19 at 1:57 pm to coachcrisp
Posted on 12/21/19 at 1:57 pm to coachcrisp
Student loans, which causes more issues.
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Posted on 12/21/19 at 2:57 pm to Sun God
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My best students didn’t attend public nor private schools. They were homeschooled and traveled with their families
True story.
Though this isn’t the time nor the place.
But ask me sometime about a student I had who spent one-half a year at truckstops (the parents were crossing America) and the other half at the Lourve in France.
The family was freaking amazing, as were the kids.
Tests, worksheets, and homework were laughable to these children.
Autodidactic learning made those kiddos exemplars.
And they’re now setting the world on fire.
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 3:56 pm to Irons Puppet
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Bama is accepting marginal state students with this push to increase enrollment
All of these universities that are trying to get bigger, are just leaning into the punch that’s coming, as technology makes campuses unnecessary.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 4:18 pm to jlntiger
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hese rankings are always BS and very subjective . Do you really think Clemson is better school than auburn or Texas A&M . Hell LSU is better
how do you know LSU, auburn and texas AM are better than clemson
Posted on 12/21/19 at 4:27 pm to InGAButLoveBama
No DA, they are taking lesser qualified in state students to keep that 60% OOS number from going higher. People have started to complain about these numbers. Read.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 5:01 pm to Irons Puppet
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re: 2020 US News Best National UniversitiesPosted on 12/21/19 at 1:22 pm to phil4bama
A study showing state schools focus on recruiting out-of-state students from white, wealthy areas labeled the University of Alabama as an “extreme case” of the trend.
“Alabama is far and away the extreme version of this,” Ozan Jacquette, an assistant professor at UCLA and one of the authors of the report, told AL.com
Even after controlling the study for school size, price and number of students that passed statewide exams, “the University of Alabama was one of the few that showed significant racial bias,” Jacquette said.
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Note: Auburn has also become less diversified.
Auburn has BECOME less diversified? LOL, Auburn has always been less diverse than UA and most other Southern flagships when it comes to enrolling Blacks. Who are you kidding? UA enrolls more African Americans than almost any other large state flagship in the nation. If it raised its admission standards, that number would drop, given the much lower AVERAGE ACT/SAT scores of Blacks. Notice I wrote "average." I can already hear the cries of "racist!"
Yet UA is criticized for letting in too many lower tier students and then condemned for not taking in enough Black students by the guy you cited in this UCLA study. You can't have it both ways.
That UCLA study was a hit job if ever there was one.
Supposed models of diversity like UCLA enroll a lower percentage of Blacks than UA does, but they get their "diversity" by enrolling many more Asian students because Cali has a lot of Asians. And those Asians have a higher avg SAT than even the White students. Cali also has a lot more Latinos as well, but only the smartest ones are admitted to UCLA. But because Cali has so many Latinos, that is a large number enrolling at UCLA. Thus UCLA seems "diverse." But I guarantee you that it admits very few lower tier non White students as UA and other Southern schools do.
The order of top test scoring groups is Asians first, Whites, Latinos, and Blacks last. Southern flagships are at a disadvantage in that our main minority group has such a low avg SAT/ACT. Even upper income Blacks have a lower avg SAT than lower income Whites. See this piece in the Journal of Black Higher Education discussing the problem:LINK
There are many many schools in Alabama for lower tier students of all races. UA should not be expected to take them in.
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 5:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
As far as the OOS strategy at Alabama is concerned:
My daughter has been offered the Presidential Scholarship, among others, from UA. As a out-of-stater, from Mississippi, the amount of scholarship money from Alabama really advanced its standing with us. (It is almost double, than what Auburn would typically give as OOS merit.) Even though UA was one of the first schools she applied, it was the scholarship money which made us more strongly consider Alabama as a real option.
Because of this, I have searched for an explanation for the differential. The effort to increase entering freshman scores/GPA at Alabama seemed the most obvious. But, it appears to be making a long play, by potentially increasing the earning (in breadth and depth) of its future alumni base. (There seemingly corresponds the apparent effort to raise funds, by drawing in wealthier OOS students with the ability/desire to pay.)
Maybe this article, might explain something... LINK
My daughter has been offered the Presidential Scholarship, among others, from UA. As a out-of-stater, from Mississippi, the amount of scholarship money from Alabama really advanced its standing with us. (It is almost double, than what Auburn would typically give as OOS merit.) Even though UA was one of the first schools she applied, it was the scholarship money which made us more strongly consider Alabama as a real option.
Because of this, I have searched for an explanation for the differential. The effort to increase entering freshman scores/GPA at Alabama seemed the most obvious. But, it appears to be making a long play, by potentially increasing the earning (in breadth and depth) of its future alumni base. (There seemingly corresponds the apparent effort to raise funds, by drawing in wealthier OOS students with the ability/desire to pay.)
Maybe this article, might explain something... LINK
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 5:16 pm to ClemsonRules
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How the hell would you know anything about Clemson or their academics. Did you attend the University? If not then your talking out your arse.
Is he?
Posted on 12/21/19 at 6:39 pm to YodaWithALightSaber
(#29) THE Georgia Institute of Technology
(#50) That Place in Athens that is trying to claim Atlanta now that we have a new Coach
(#211) Georgia State
It's great to be from the deep South and to be from a State that takes education seriously
I left off Emory University because they don't have big time Sports, but they are ranked #20 among National Universities
That's 3 Top50 National Universities in Atlanta, GA based on UGA's map reading skills now that they're claiming to be in Atlanta to impress Recruits
I guess I've always taken it for granted having great Colleges nearby and the resulting positive impact on our quality of life, but I guess I shouldn't have, a few different political decisions 55-65 years ago and we could be like Bama-Mississippi-Louisiana, whew, thank you Ivan Allen
I honestly can't imagine what it would be to like to live in a State with a buncha Colleges ranked on the bad side of #100
Imagine being Mississippi with your main State Colleges ranked #162 & #211, but I guess it's OK as long as you have your MAGA hats and your confederate monuments
But then again these Rankings don't mean anything, especially when you don't do very well in them
(#50) That Place in Athens that is trying to claim Atlanta now that we have a new Coach
(#211) Georgia State
It's great to be from the deep South and to be from a State that takes education seriously
I left off Emory University because they don't have big time Sports, but they are ranked #20 among National Universities
That's 3 Top50 National Universities in Atlanta, GA based on UGA's map reading skills now that they're claiming to be in Atlanta to impress Recruits
I guess I've always taken it for granted having great Colleges nearby and the resulting positive impact on our quality of life, but I guess I shouldn't have, a few different political decisions 55-65 years ago and we could be like Bama-Mississippi-Louisiana, whew, thank you Ivan Allen
I honestly can't imagine what it would be to like to live in a State with a buncha Colleges ranked on the bad side of #100
Imagine being Mississippi with your main State Colleges ranked #162 & #211, but I guess it's OK as long as you have your MAGA hats and your confederate monuments
But then again these Rankings don't mean anything, especially when you don't do very well in them
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 6:42 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
You are either really dumb or really old. Possibly both
Posted on 12/21/19 at 6:55 pm to Sun God
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You are either really dumb or really old. Possibly both
Did I say anything that was patently false?
Not too old and I've had a good run in Corporate America so I'm not that dumb
What?
#153 got you triggered?
So NOLA is the pride of your State, and their claim to fame is that the place always smells like puke, urine, & stale beer
Go right ahead Louisiana ,keep on being a zit on the azz end of America
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:00 pm to YodaWithALightSaber
Rerank in order of most liberal and the best will be in order starting at the bottom.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:07 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
Old it is
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:15 pm to InGAButLoveBama
What kind of dumbass is making this a diversity issue ? This is an issue of trying to grow the University beyond the capacity of the state to provide quality students. Bama is not pursuing the minority to create diversity, they are pursuing warm bodies to increase enrollment. They are having to go out of state to reach those numbers because the state of Alabama can not produce the numbers to match the desire for growth. At first it wasn't an issue, but once it reach over 50% out of state enrollment people took notice. Then it went to 60% and the outrage began because they were raising tuition for instate students also to meet the cost of growth. Now to try and equal a balance without reducing enrollment they are bringing in less qualified instate students. AU was doing the same on a lesser scale. They were hearing some of the complaints and decide to put a cap of OOS at 30%. Which isn't enough.
Why people try to make it a racial issue is beyond me.
Why people try to make it a racial issue is beyond me.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:22 pm to FlexDawg
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Rerank in order of most liberal and the best will be in order starting at the bottom
No such thing as a liberal College, individuals believe what they want to believe
Some things in society need to be improved, that has nothing to with political agendas, conservative or liberal, the challenge issued to us by the framers of the Constitution is "to form a more perfect Union", simply put we should all strive to continuously improve the United States, regardless of which ideology is best and rarely is one ideology best in all instances
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:24 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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No such thing as a liberal College, individuals believe what they want to believe
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:27 pm to YodaWithALightSaber
This is so exciting.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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re: 2020 US News Best National UniversitiesPosted on 12/21/19 at 7:15 pm to InGAButLoveBama
What kind of dumbass is making this a diversity issue ? This is an issue of trying to grow the University beyond the capacity of the state to provide quality students. Bama is not pursuing the minority to create diversity, they are pursuing warm bodies to increase enrollment. They are having to go out of state to reach those numbers because the state of Alabama can not produce the numbers to match the desire for growth. At first it wasn't an issue, but once it reach over 50% out of state enrollment people took notice. Then it went to 60% and the outrage began because they were raising tuition for instate students also to meet the cost of growth. Now to try and equal a balance without reducing enrollment they are bringing in less qualified instate students. AU was doing the same on a lesser scale. They were hearing some of the complaints and decide to put a cap of OOS at 30%. Which isn't enough.
Why people try to make it a racial issue is beyond me.
I was responding to the Auburn fan, allin2010, who brought up the absurd UCLA study that claimed UA was the least diversity seeking school in the nation.
Where in the world are you getting your info? UA is not letting in a higher percentage of lower tier in state students. Where is the evidence it was admitting lesser qualified out of state students over in state students? Again, the huge OOS enrollment helps fund new generous scholarships for even in state students with an ACT of only 21. The higher the ACT, the higher the scholarship, but no one can say that UA is putting out of state students over in state students.
Finally, UA has had fewer tuition increases for in state students than Auburn. In fact, for the last two years, UA has frozen in state tuition. It could ONLY do that because it has been collecting so much higher tuition from so many more out of state students.
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:05 pm to PeeJayScammedGT
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I left off Emory University because they don't have big time Sports, but they are ranked #20 among National Universities
They may not be big time, but Emory women’s swimming is gunning for their ELEVENTH consecutive D3 National title in early 2020. They could take down more than a few P5 swim teams.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:22 pm to InGAButLoveBama
Talk to the HS counselors. Talk to parents. It is a problem in Alabama. You just read the press releases from UA. Big problem.
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