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ChatGPT, but it’s actually 4.8 times. I read that wrong

In any case, below is a link to the CDC comparing 1st world countries from around 7 years ago. Pretty interesting

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I regularly watch a good many videos on driving vehicles and riding motorcycles in the UK, and the one thing that really stands out is that it sure seems to be a pretty arduous and comprehensive process compared to that of the US. An extensive amount of time and emphasis is placed on theory and actual driving testing where it’s not uncommon for people to have to put in some real time and effort into passing it after failing it multiple times. We tend to kind of push people on through and get them on the road to buy that gasoline and keep the economic machine rolling along.

I believe that this contributes largely to the amount of deaths on the roads here to that of the UK where you’re 2.5 times more likely to die in an automobile accident here than the UK. I’d have to imagine the number of accidents per capita is also significantly higher here as well. Why would this not be correlated to the low bar we’ve set for operating a vehicle?




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do you think kids don't ride bikes or skateboards anymore?

my neighbors kid has been riding past my office window trying to stick a kick flip all morning


Someone should stop them before they hurt themselves
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You keep dodging the point that the United States is materially different than when you were a kid. It’s not just overbearing parents or whatever which is, of course, a factor

ETA - “why don’t kids build forts in the woods anymore?” Because the woods were developed 30 years ago


As you apparently dodged the point of the hordes of distracted drivers juggling their TV phone and driving a 1 ton missile down the road without a care in the world.
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Sure. But we are also talking about kids in this thread.

I had a dirt bike as a kid. I didn't beg my parents for one because I wanted to ride it responsibly on the trail at a moderate speed.

I wanted to do jumps and go fast. And I did. I can think of multiple times where I was very lucky to not get seriously hurt.

I just don't know what this thread even is. I'm not sure where y'all live, but I know my neighborhood is overrun with kids on ebikes. And a lot of my friends kids are into dirt bikes.

This just feels like complaint thread about things that don't really exist. Kids are still very much being kids in my world.


We did that on peddle bikes and skateboards as well as without, doing I’ll advised stuff, and yeah near misses I had them too.
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it’s almost as if there are 130 million more people (including a significant # of uninsured drivers), more heavily concentrated in 40-60 metro areas, than when you were a kid


Well, we didn’t have a TV phone firmly attached to our eyeballs
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"Bikes are only dangerous if you do the things that actually make them fun"



I’d say this largely depends on the age of the rider and their intention and skills.
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My point is, a lot of times it's not the bike riders, it's the other drivers on the road that you have to worry about because most times they don't give a frick.


Bikes aren’t dangerous unless you’re doing stupid stuff like speeding, stunts, or misjudging corners or debri. It’s the drivers of the automobiles that are the real danger to a motorcycle. Why it’s best to ride where they are lower in numbers IMO.
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smells like you’re assigning far too much value to something YOU are interested it


It’s not actually about riding or not. It’s about living life. Motorcycles just happen to be a perfect example of the fear driving all of our lives. It’s overflowing in this very thread, yet in many parts of the world, a motorcycle serves as their primary means of transportation. Weird.
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Riding a street bike in a large city is a major gamble, 4 out of 5 people who ride in the city will get injured or killed.


It's up to the person if they want to take those odds.


Stop riding in the city, or stop riding oblivious to the cars. Take a motorcycle safety course and continue to practice. Gear up.

Smells like fear to me, but here’s another statistic to chew on. 10 out of 10 people will die. That’s a fact, but fewer will apparently life their life today than in times past and mostly because their parents downloaded all of their own brokenness, flaws, and fears into their kids, and only when you age will you come to the realization that they didn’t know where they were going either.
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One of the few signs we are evolving as a society


To what though? A society without life skills, self confidence, riddled with social anxieties, and played a game about living life, but never actually lived one themselves outside of the shadow of fear mommy said would get them?


Lordy, if that’s living a life, I’d feel more than just cheated. I’d feel abused.





She nailed it. Dopamine addicted human slugs, and you could make this argument for almost every other outdoor activity I’d say, but motorcycles is glaringly obvious. As kids, we grew up with pictures of dirt bikes and motorcross heroes like Bob Hannah plastered on our bedroom walls that served as advertisements to ourselves and our parents what we wanted most in life at 12 years old. Today it’s a video game console or social media to scratch their itch, but it’s never actually ever scratched. It’s just a mind trick played upon an unsuspecting and easily manipulated target, kids, and the lesson is living life vicariously through someone or something else is safer and easier than living actual life where some form of risk is always involved.



Growing up, I don’t think I actually knew of a single kid in the neighborhood who didn’t desperately want a dirt bike, or at least a go cart.. In my generation, it was the XR75 and the YZ80. If you had one, you were in the cool club.

I don’t know if that’s even in many of these kid’s minds today, but there’s one kid who I can identify with for sure. He lit up when he saw that. Worth it.




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Less today. But I’m not surrounded by culture anymore.


Sure you are. You’re just delaying the effects, but they’re coming.
For myself it’s almost a constant these days with the number of sirens from ambulances, fire trucks, or police, mostly fire engines, to that of when I was a kid, or that’s the way it feels like, but I’d like to hear your take, and if there is something driving it.




Self righteousness. It fuels everything else.
Would there actually be any difference whatsoever in outcome for humanity?

This entire world is about controlling how you see things, be it via education, the news, religion, social media, etc. everyone wants control over you.
Just to show you the network of ALPR cameras where you live, work, and play tracking your every move in your daily life.

Crowdsourced ALPR surveillance map

Enjoy your dystopian overlords.

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In 1787 when Benjamin Franklin left the Constitutional Convention a lady famously asked “Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” “A republic,” Franklin replied tartly, “if you can keep it.”


This I believe still rings true today.