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Posted on 9/13/11 at 7:23 pm to DCRebel
Also, the California schools all vote for eachother (yes, that's how this shite works). I heard this straight from a dude who taught at one of the UC campuses. He says they're not bad schools and all, but aside from Berkely and UCLA, they're pretty average.
From what I can tell, there are only a handful of public schools that can really call themselves "elite" regarding educational quality and opportunities (big emphasis on the latter). Those schools would be, in no particular order: Berkely, UVA, Michigan, Texas, Florida, and UCLA with a few schools like Georgia, Wisconsin, TAMU, and others hanging in there as "bottom of the top."
I went to grad school in the PhD program at UCSD and can say your friend must really have some bone to pick to make a statement like that. UCSD is absolutely on level or better than many on this list of "elite" public schools you mention in terms of graduate and undergraduate programs and students.
I finished undergrad at Alabama which has many fine professors and students ect but UCSD is really on a different level.
From what I can tell, there are only a handful of public schools that can really call themselves "elite" regarding educational quality and opportunities (big emphasis on the latter). Those schools would be, in no particular order: Berkely, UVA, Michigan, Texas, Florida, and UCLA with a few schools like Georgia, Wisconsin, TAMU, and others hanging in there as "bottom of the top."
I went to grad school in the PhD program at UCSD and can say your friend must really have some bone to pick to make a statement like that. UCSD is absolutely on level or better than many on this list of "elite" public schools you mention in terms of graduate and undergraduate programs and students.
I finished undergrad at Alabama which has many fine professors and students ect but UCSD is really on a different level.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 7:23 pm to rolltide06
Those rankings are complete bullshite.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 7:43 pm to RMFTBama
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USNWR pretty much runs this shite.
lulz
Posted on 9/13/11 at 8:15 pm to wm72
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Also, the California schools all vote for eachother (yes, that's how this shite works). I heard this straight from a dude who taught at one of the UC campuses. He says they're not bad schools and all, but aside from Berkely and UCLA, they're pretty average. From what I can tell, there are only a handful of public schools that can really call themselves "elite" regarding educational quality and opportunities (big emphasis on the latter). Those schools would be, in no particular order: Berkely, UVA, Michigan, Texas, Florida, and UCLA with a few schools like Georgia, Wisconsin, TAMU, and others hanging in there as "bottom of the top."
Worth noting that on the whole the UC system is in a slow decline while the SEC schools (especially the Eastern division schools and Bama) are gradually on the rise in terms of academic quality. Bama and Auburn offer by far the most generous pure merit-aid packages, and more importantly they only use statistics instead of the arbitrary "soft factors" that UGA, UF, and Vandy offer.
Someone pointed out that the "averages" arn't so important and I think there's a lot to be said for that. A quick glance at the numbers would indicate that UGA, UF, and Vandy are light years ahead of the rest w/ respect to test scores... in reality, their averages are skewed way to the right by Honors programs. I think the reason Bama has jumped so much in the academic rankings is because of its emphasis on attracting kids to their two Honors programs.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 9:06 pm to saltydawg
If AU and UA are that high...then the out-of-state smart kids must be taking over the Universities in Bama.
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Posted on 9/13/11 at 9:22 pm to lsusteve1
The state of Louisiana would be much better off if we turned some of our 4 year universities into JC's. Only LSU and La Tech even made the list of top public universities and we have a bunch of them 
Posted on 9/13/11 at 9:44 pm to lsudawg70
It'll be a cold day in hell the day someone posts a ranking or list that didn't result in the UA/AU fans starting a dick-measuring contest over it.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 10:59 pm to BradPitt
It is unfortunate that Alabama and Auburn fans turn these kinds of threads into d### measuring contests. In Alabama`s defense, we don`t pretend to be an elite university academically. We do take exception with the long held view among Auburn people that they offer a vastly superior education though. Alabama fans have never taken themselves as seriously as Auburn fans in regards to academics. We typically only bring up academics when Auburn fans are constantly telling us our school is s### academically and that all the publications ranking Alabama even or just ahead of Auburn are full of s### and part of a REC conspiracy to somehow keep Auburn out of their rightful place at the top.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 11:06 pm to APIEE
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Lower acceptance rate does not necessarily mean "harder to get into," at least not in the colloquial sense that it is used.
I somewhat agree, but when you admit 8 out of every 10 that apply, you can hardly boast about how difficult admission is like AU fans tend to do.
This post was edited on 9/13/11 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 9/13/11 at 11:11 pm to attheua
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but when you admit 8 out of every 10 that apply, you can hardly boast about how difficult admission is like AU fans tend to do.
You do realize it's an indisputable fact that the admissions requirements at Auburn are higher than Alabama, right?
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It'll be a cold day in hell the day someone posts a ranking or list that didn't result in the UA/AU fans starting a dick-measuring contest over it.
Totally agree.
Great rivalry, right?
Posted on 9/13/11 at 11:28 pm to joeyb147
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You do realize it's an indisputable fact that the admissions requirements at Auburn are higher than Alabama, right?
It's hard to know that when neither school lists an absolute floor for admission.
Perpetuating this myth seems very important to AU fans though, even with your school admitting nearly 80% of applicants and ranked behind UA, again.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 11:32 pm to attheua
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It's hard to know that when neither school lists an absolute floor for admission.
No, no it's not.
If you've known many people which have enrolled at each, in state, within the past 5 years, it is easy to see which one has lower admission requirements.
While you seem to be taking it as an insult, you shouldn't, it's a fact. Not something to be disputed.
This post was edited on 9/13/11 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 12:00 am to joeyb147
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If you've known many people which have enrolled at each, in state,
Posted on 9/14/11 at 12:29 am to CapstoneGrad06
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If AU and UA are that high...then the out-of-state smart kids must be taking over the Universities in Bama.
this may actually be the case at 'Bama. I can't tell you the number of kids I've met from NY, NJ, MD MA, IL, CA, etc. I'm a freshman from NC myself and have met at least 15 other freshman that lived less than two hours from me back home.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 12:55 am to joeyb147
Haha. You don't get it, do you? Auburn having a higher "average" ACT score than UA does not indicate that Auburn is harder to get into. As another poster said, the only way to know that would be to know each school's ACT/GPA floor. Having a higher "average" test score doesn't shed any light on how low an applicant can go numbers-wise at Auburn and still be admitted.
Also, anecdotal stories count for shite. The fact that you can name a few people who got into UA and didn't get into AU doesn't mean anything. I'm sure I could find people who got into AU and didn't get into UA. Big deal.
Also, anecdotal stories count for shite. The fact that you can name a few people who got into UA and didn't get into AU doesn't mean anything. I'm sure I could find people who got into AU and didn't get into UA. Big deal.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:28 am to RMFTBama
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I'm sure I could find people who got into AU and didn't get into UA. Big deal.
Surely you jest
Posted on 9/14/11 at 7:19 am to beatbammer
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Auburn's engineering program IS better. Learn it. Love it. Live it.
Auburn is the ONLY SEC school to have every been placed on Academic probation. Learnit. Love it. Live it.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 7:57 am to rolltide06
Posted on 9/14/11 at 8:07 am to stat19
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Auburn is the ONLY SEC school to have every been placed on Academic probation. Learnit. Love it. Live it.
They were placed on probation because of political reasons and not academic reasons. The whole point of the probations was to take power away from some trustees, that is why SACS was never going to take their accredition away.
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