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Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:56 am to Che Boludo
Some of Tiger history most exciting games in history were won 3-0 and we only made three first downs :) Edge of your seat every punt.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:58 am to King
Was it 1965 when Arkie claimed a NC only to lose to you know who in the Cotton Bowl. You should forfeit that one too.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:05 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
They don't claim 1965.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:06 pm to BigBro
A lot of things screwed over 1966 Alabama that they couldn't control.
But it also didn't help that they had benefited from the topsy-turvy way national champions were awarded prior to 1974.
In 1964, Alabama won the AP/UPI national championship back when they were both awarded after the regular season. Bama lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl, and Arkansas had beaten Texas in the regular season and was the only remaining undefeated team after the bowl season.
People thought Arkansas had been snubbed.
In 1965, the AP Poll experimented with awarding the national championship after the bowl season. Michigan State and Arkansas were again undefeated, but lost their respective bowl games. Meanwhile, #4 9-1-1 Alabama beat Nebraska and was the highest ranked team to win their bowl game. Ergo, they received the AP Trophy that year.
The AP reverted to regular season national championships in 1966. And people were a bit fatigued with Alabama had that point (I know right?). When it came time to award the national championship for the 1966 season, it was extremely convenient to award it to 9-0-1 Notre Dame. I think the AP/UPI rationalized the decision by suggestion Notre Dame played a harder schedule that year.
But it also didn't help that they had benefited from the topsy-turvy way national champions were awarded prior to 1974.
In 1964, Alabama won the AP/UPI national championship back when they were both awarded after the regular season. Bama lost to Texas in the Orange Bowl, and Arkansas had beaten Texas in the regular season and was the only remaining undefeated team after the bowl season.
People thought Arkansas had been snubbed.
In 1965, the AP Poll experimented with awarding the national championship after the bowl season. Michigan State and Arkansas were again undefeated, but lost their respective bowl games. Meanwhile, #4 9-1-1 Alabama beat Nebraska and was the highest ranked team to win their bowl game. Ergo, they received the AP Trophy that year.
The AP reverted to regular season national championships in 1966. And people were a bit fatigued with Alabama had that point (I know right?). When it came time to award the national championship for the 1966 season, it was extremely convenient to award it to 9-0-1 Notre Dame. I think the AP/UPI rationalized the decision by suggestion Notre Dame played a harder schedule that year.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:20 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
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Some of Tiger history most exciting games in history were won 3-0 and we only made three first downs :) Edge of your seat every punt
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:21 pm to 4Ghost
Joe scored, one official said he did but another overruled him.
I haven't spoken to Joe himself, but I have talked to others on that team that said he did. Too bad they didn't have replay and sharp enough images.
I haven't spoken to Joe himself, but I have talked to others on that team that said he did. Too bad they didn't have replay and sharp enough images.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:53 pm to 3down10
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Not to mention Namath didn't even play in most of the 1st half of the game.
This is correct. Steve Sloan started for Alabama. Namath was questionable with a bum knee. For that very reason, I still question Bryant's decision to have Namath run the sneak in that crucial goal line series.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 12:58 pm to BigBro
All press related. We got canceled.
Associated Press and UPI decided national champs.
The northern press would kick Bama a lot.
Texas benefited greatly one year. You member?
Associated Press and UPI decided national champs.
The northern press would kick Bama a lot.
Texas benefited greatly one year. You member?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:01 pm to BigBro
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These same politics didn’t exist in 1964 and 1965?
It kind of reached a head in '66.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:01 pm to BigBro
Michigan State and Notre Dame were some monster teams. The tie is the game between them. It wasn't played under ideal conditions and Ara P. could have gone for the win, but chose to play for the tie. That was the final game for Mich. St, but Notre Dame still had the USC game, who they beat to shite, and ND was crowned champs.
To back up my claim of them being monster teams, look at the NFL draft.
Below are the top 250 players drafted (equivalent to the modern draft) in 67, 68, and 69. Chose 3 years because freshman didn't play then, and players didn't leave early. 67 were the seniors, 68 the juniors...
This is not going to be easy to read, so I'm posting as a csv. Should be able to copy into Excel.
Year,Rnd,Pick,OA,Pteam,Player,Pos,Team
1967,1,1,1,Colts,Charles ³Bubba² Smith,DL,Michigan State
1967,1,2,2,Vikings,Clint Jones,RB,Michigan State
1967,1,5,5,Oilers/Titans,George Webster,LB,Michigan State
1967,1,8,8,Vikings,Gene Washington,WR,Michigan State
1967,1,12,12,Jets,Paul Seiler,OL,Notre Dame
1967,1,15,15,Vikings,Alan Page,DL,Notre Dame
1967,1,23,23,Oilers/Titans,Thomas Regner,OL,Notre Dame
1967,1,26,26,Saints,Leslie Kelly,RB,Alabama
1967,2,20,46,Browns/Ravens,Larry Conjar,RB,Notre Dame
1967,2,21,47,Chiefs,Jim Lynch,LB,Notre Dame
1967,3,6,59,Broncos,George Goeddeke,OL,Notre Dame
1967,3,17,70,Bills,Tom Rhoads,DL,Notre Dame
1967,4,2,82,Giants,Louis Thompson,DL,Alabama
1967,4,11,91,49ers,Wayne Trimble,DB,Alabama
1967,6,13,146,Jets,Jeff Richardson,DL,Michigan State
1967,9,6,217,Broncos,James Summers,DB,Michigan State
1967,9,19,230,Browns/Ravens,Cecil Dowdy,LB,Alabama
1967,9,21,232,Patriots,Charlie Thornhill,DB,Michigan State
1968,1,7,7,Saints,Kevin Hardy,DL,Notre Dame
1968,1,20,20,Cowboys,Dennis Homan,WR,Alabama
1968,2,25,52,Raiders,Ken Stabler,QB,Alabama
1968,3,20,76,Vikings,Mike McGill,LB,Notre Dame
1968,4,1,84,Bengals,Jess Phillips,DB,Michigan State
1968,4,19,102,Broncos,Drake Garrett,DB,Michigan State
1968,5,5,116,Patriots,Jim Smithberger,DB,Notre Dame
1968,5,14,125,49ers,Dwight Lee,RB,Michigan State
1968,6,19,157,Eagles,Dave Martin,DB,Notre Dame
1968,7,13,178,Eagles,Joe Przybycki,OL,Michigan State
1968,8,3,195,Saints,Dick Southland,OL,Notre Dame
1968,8,20,212,Browns/Ravens,Tom Schoen,DB,Notre Dame
1968,9,26,245,Packers,Bob Apisa,RB,Michigan State
1969,1,2,2,Falcons,George Kunz,OL,Notre Dame
1969,1,10,10,Rams,Jim Seymour,WR,Notre Dame
1969,2,4,30,Steelers,Terry Hanratty,QB,Notre Dame
1969,4,2,80,Eagles,Bob Kuechenberg,OL,Notre Dame
1969,5,15,119,Bears,Jim Winegardner,TE,Notre Dame
1969,6,11,141,Dolphins,Ed Tuck,OL,Notre Dame
1969,7,14,170,Giants,Al Brenner,DB,Michigan State
1969,8,6,188,Patriots,Bob Gladieux,RB,Notre Dame
There was a shite ton of talent on those teams. The biggest plus for Bama was Stabler at QB, but Hanratty was no slouch.
To back up my claim of them being monster teams, look at the NFL draft.
Below are the top 250 players drafted (equivalent to the modern draft) in 67, 68, and 69. Chose 3 years because freshman didn't play then, and players didn't leave early. 67 were the seniors, 68 the juniors...
This is not going to be easy to read, so I'm posting as a csv. Should be able to copy into Excel.
Year,Rnd,Pick,OA,Pteam,Player,Pos,Team
1967,1,1,1,Colts,Charles ³Bubba² Smith,DL,Michigan State
1967,1,2,2,Vikings,Clint Jones,RB,Michigan State
1967,1,5,5,Oilers/Titans,George Webster,LB,Michigan State
1967,1,8,8,Vikings,Gene Washington,WR,Michigan State
1967,1,12,12,Jets,Paul Seiler,OL,Notre Dame
1967,1,15,15,Vikings,Alan Page,DL,Notre Dame
1967,1,23,23,Oilers/Titans,Thomas Regner,OL,Notre Dame
1967,1,26,26,Saints,Leslie Kelly,RB,Alabama
1967,2,20,46,Browns/Ravens,Larry Conjar,RB,Notre Dame
1967,2,21,47,Chiefs,Jim Lynch,LB,Notre Dame
1967,3,6,59,Broncos,George Goeddeke,OL,Notre Dame
1967,3,17,70,Bills,Tom Rhoads,DL,Notre Dame
1967,4,2,82,Giants,Louis Thompson,DL,Alabama
1967,4,11,91,49ers,Wayne Trimble,DB,Alabama
1967,6,13,146,Jets,Jeff Richardson,DL,Michigan State
1967,9,6,217,Broncos,James Summers,DB,Michigan State
1967,9,19,230,Browns/Ravens,Cecil Dowdy,LB,Alabama
1967,9,21,232,Patriots,Charlie Thornhill,DB,Michigan State
1968,1,7,7,Saints,Kevin Hardy,DL,Notre Dame
1968,1,20,20,Cowboys,Dennis Homan,WR,Alabama
1968,2,25,52,Raiders,Ken Stabler,QB,Alabama
1968,3,20,76,Vikings,Mike McGill,LB,Notre Dame
1968,4,1,84,Bengals,Jess Phillips,DB,Michigan State
1968,4,19,102,Broncos,Drake Garrett,DB,Michigan State
1968,5,5,116,Patriots,Jim Smithberger,DB,Notre Dame
1968,5,14,125,49ers,Dwight Lee,RB,Michigan State
1968,6,19,157,Eagles,Dave Martin,DB,Notre Dame
1968,7,13,178,Eagles,Joe Przybycki,OL,Michigan State
1968,8,3,195,Saints,Dick Southland,OL,Notre Dame
1968,8,20,212,Browns/Ravens,Tom Schoen,DB,Notre Dame
1968,9,26,245,Packers,Bob Apisa,RB,Michigan State
1969,1,2,2,Falcons,George Kunz,OL,Notre Dame
1969,1,10,10,Rams,Jim Seymour,WR,Notre Dame
1969,2,4,30,Steelers,Terry Hanratty,QB,Notre Dame
1969,4,2,80,Eagles,Bob Kuechenberg,OL,Notre Dame
1969,5,15,119,Bears,Jim Winegardner,TE,Notre Dame
1969,6,11,141,Dolphins,Ed Tuck,OL,Notre Dame
1969,7,14,170,Giants,Al Brenner,DB,Michigan State
1969,8,6,188,Patriots,Bob Gladieux,RB,Notre Dame
There was a shite ton of talent on those teams. The biggest plus for Bama was Stabler at QB, but Hanratty was no slouch.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:04 pm to footswitch
I'm probably the most radical in my viewpoint that until the major conferences (SEC, Big 12, Big Ten, ACC, Pac-10/12) agreed on a systematic way for selecting a national champion with the BCS, all national championship claims were rather meaningless.*
You had one major poll made up of newspaper writers and another major poll made up of coaches. Prior to cable television, it was extremely unlikely that all 60 AP voters and all 20 Coaches' Poll voters actually watched every game on TV that week. So there was probably a lot of homecooking going on to benefit certain teams with national brands (Notre Dame) over teams with little television exposure.
(Edit: *Occassionally, prior to 1998, you would have some bowl games that were de facto national championship matches like 1978 Alabama vs. Penn State, 1982 Penn State vs. Georgia, 1986 Penn State vs. Miami, 1992 Alabama vs. Miami. SO, maybe a few claims prior to 1998 could be legitimate. But many of the others were not.
Also, Bowl Alliance/Bowl Coalition is an imperfect system. Didn't include Big Ten/Pac-10. Maybe that's their fault, but maybe it was a little of our fault too for not guaranteeing them protection of the Rose Bowl. In any case, you can't have a national championship selection system without the consent of all Power 5 conferences.)
Teams who were awarded national championships prior to 1998 can feel free to continue to claim them. I just don't think it's something to get all tore up about.
You had one major poll made up of newspaper writers and another major poll made up of coaches. Prior to cable television, it was extremely unlikely that all 60 AP voters and all 20 Coaches' Poll voters actually watched every game on TV that week. So there was probably a lot of homecooking going on to benefit certain teams with national brands (Notre Dame) over teams with little television exposure.
(Edit: *Occassionally, prior to 1998, you would have some bowl games that were de facto national championship matches like 1978 Alabama vs. Penn State, 1982 Penn State vs. Georgia, 1986 Penn State vs. Miami, 1992 Alabama vs. Miami. SO, maybe a few claims prior to 1998 could be legitimate. But many of the others were not.
Also, Bowl Alliance/Bowl Coalition is an imperfect system. Didn't include Big Ten/Pac-10. Maybe that's their fault, but maybe it was a little of our fault too for not guaranteeing them protection of the Rose Bowl. In any case, you can't have a national championship selection system without the consent of all Power 5 conferences.)
Teams who were awarded national championships prior to 1998 can feel free to continue to claim them. I just don't think it's something to get all tore up about.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:06 pm to C W
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Was a total piece of **** that haunts the state of Alabama to this day
We've had worse
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:16 pm to footswitch
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All press related. We got canceled.
Associated Press and UPI decided national champs.
The northern press would kick Bama a lot.
Texas benefited greatly one year. You member?
I was born in the 1970s, so no I don’t remember. The only year where Texas “greatly” benefited by the system in place was 1970, but I don’t see how that hurt Alabama.. perhaps you are saying 1970 Texas is like Alabama 1964. If so, I agree.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:32 pm to BigBro
Hold on… gathering facts.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:41 pm to footswitch
My bad, it was ND jumping from 5th to 1st after they beat Texas in the 77 Cotton Bowl.
Bama beat Woody Hayes, Buckeyes like a drum, only to have the press stick it to us.
I was so pissed that 13 year old me wrote an editorial to SI. Bama’s only loss was the second game to Nebraska by a touchdown.
Bama beat Woody Hayes, Buckeyes like a drum, only to have the press stick it to us.
I was so pissed that 13 year old me wrote an editorial to SI. Bama’s only loss was the second game to Nebraska by a touchdown.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:44 pm to BigBro
Same way that Arkansas went 21-1 in '64 + '65, but Alabama wins two national championships going 19-2-1.
#politics
#politics
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:49 pm to BigBro
Because we had no black players. Screw your George Wallace!
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:50 pm to BigBro
Arkansas won the 1964 and 1965 NCs. Get your facts straight
Posted on 8/1/21 at 1:55 pm to redeye
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Same way that Arkansas went 21-1 in '64 + '65, but Alabama wins two national championships going 19-2-1.
#politics
Alabama went undefeated in the regular season of 64 and was awarded the national championship. Alabama was hardly the first team to lose it's bowl game after, but suddenly it became an issue.
So the AP decided to start doing it after. Alabama isn't #1 at the end of the regular season and WOULD NOT have won the national championship in 1965, except Alabama wins it's bowl game while the ones above them do not.
For some reason the AP decided it was a bad idea and changed back.
So it turns out that it had nothing to do with politics directly, but rather what matters is when those loses happened.
I personally think the entire thing is funny. Only an issue when Alabama does it, not an issue when other teams did it previously(and hell, Notre Dame didn't even play in bowl games). Then they change it and...it enables Alabama to win a national championship again.
Finally in 66 they just said frick it and gave it to Notre Dame.
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