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re: 16 Team Playoff Field

Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by biclops
Member since Oct 2011
6149 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:42 pm to
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No regular season game would matter ever again.

Top 10 matchup? Who cares, you're both in regardless.


It would matter for seeding but nothing else. I would hate it.
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18049 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:42 pm to
Love it. Only change would be to put the quarterfinal bowl games closer to the top seeds in each quadrant. So LSU would play in the Sugar and Clemson in the Orange.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:42 pm to
The only way a 16-team playoff works is if the size of Division 1 is drastically downsized. With 130 teams, it makes 13-0 or 12-1 type records the norm.

If Major CFB reduces down to about 40 total programs, then I think you'd see much more parity which would make a larger playoff decent.

But with the way things are now, a 16-team playoff would render the regular season completely meaningless.

I also hate the idea of including the Bowl Games. The bowls are relics from the past that need not be involved in a Playoff.

The Championship Game should be on a neutral field, but until then all games should be played on campus.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:43 pm to
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There are only 6 or 7 teams that have a shot at the playoffs. It's boring if you're not one of those teams.



This argument is at least semi-logical if you are talking about G5 teams like Memphis, UCF, etc.........but if you are in a Power 5 conference then tough shite.

You have EVERY opportunity to make a 4-team playoff. Expanding the field to 16 teams so you can lose 3 games and still go is stupid.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17379 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:43 pm to
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Who cares, you're both in regardless.



First, that's just not true. Lots of teams who were in the top 10 this year wouldn't make that tourney, if it were held this year. Second, even if it is a top 5 match up of teams who don't have another loss on their schedule, the games still matter for seeding and conference championship purposes.
Posted by DirtyDawg
President of the East Cobb Snobs
Member since Aug 2013
15539 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:44 pm to
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No regular season game would matter ever again.



It matters if you care about having home field advantage in the first round. It matters if you want to have the higher seed so you have an easier path to the Championship game. It matters if you care about the opponents your team plays.


College football's passion won't disappear if we expand the playoff. I'll still care about beating all our rivals and winning all our games. I imagine most fans will be the same.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17379 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:45 pm to
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home field advantage in the first round.


Playoff games on the home field! Can you imagine what a blast that would be?!
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:46 pm to
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It matters if you care about having home field advantage in the first round. It matters if you want to have the higher seed so you have an easier path to the Championship game. It matters if you care about the opponents your team plays.


College football's passion won't disappear if we expand the playoff. I'll still care about beating all our rivals and winning all our games. I imagine most fans will be the same.



I do agree with this - the whole "the games won't matter!" thing is so silly.

Yes they would. You would still care very much, both for getting the most advantageous playoff position (seeding, home field, etc) and because you want to kill your rival with a rusty spoon.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:46 pm to
Here's the funny thing, people keep doing the same thing over and over hoping for different results.

People complained about the Poll era championships being based on biased, subjective opinions, so they called for a two team playoff.

People complained about the BCS era championships being based on biased, subjective opinions, so they called for a 4-team playoff.

Now people are complaining about the CFP era championships being based on biased, subjective opinions, so now they're calling for 8-team, 16-team, etc... playoffs.

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe it's not the number of teams, but the nature of basing a championship on biased, subjective opinion polls? I mean, we keep changing the number of teams, but the complaint about bias is still the same.

Maybe, JUST MAYBE, it's not about the number of teams in the playoffs, but how those teams are selected.
Posted by TarnishedWisdom90
Daphne, AL
Member since Sep 2018
1220 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:47 pm to
I personally wouldnt mind 8. Every Power 5 champion is an auto bid along with the next 3 highest ranked

Would not care to see it expand beyond that tho
Posted by biclops
Member since Oct 2011
6149 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:48 pm to
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Expanding the field to 16 teams so you can lose 3 games and still go is stupid.


Exactly. Want to be national champ? Have a legitimate argument at the end of conference championship weekend in favor of your team being the best in the country. Can't put one together? Enjoy your non-playoff bowl game.
Posted by Carl Tuckerson
The wind-swept plains
Member since Oct 2019
1026 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:49 pm to
Give me eight. All Power 5 Conference champs + 3 at-large bids. If you win your conference you're in. If you don't, but you're damn good, you might catch a break and get in.

Sixteen is nonsense.
Posted by DirtyDawg
President of the East Cobb Snobs
Member since Aug 2013
15539 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:49 pm to
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and because you want to kill your rival with a rusty spoon




I prefer to put my rivals in a pit for months on end while they moisturize their skin for me.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:49 pm to
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Maybe, JUST MAYBE, it's not about the number of teams in the playoffs, but how those teams are selected.


There would still be argument but then you reach a point where the argument is about the bottom 2-3 teams that get in (like in basketball) and not that a true championship contender didn't get in.

Which then leads to a followup........why are these non-championship contender teams in this whole thing anyway?

I don't know, I think that 8 is probably a fair compromise that would be neat in it's own ways (home games perhaps in R1, a G5 team gets a shot every year there is one that is worthy, no real "worthy" team gets left out).

But, in the end, there will still be complaining......because we are humans.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:49 pm to
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I prefer to put my rivals in a pit for months on end while they moisturize their skin for me.



Same, but instead of a pit the Krystal on Bourbon Street
Posted by DirtyDawg
President of the East Cobb Snobs
Member since Aug 2013
15539 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:50 pm to
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but instead of a pit the Krystal on Bourbon Street




frick that place. It made my a-hole shoot out dragon's breath the morning of the LSU game last year.


I felt like the last of the Targaryen's.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:51 pm to
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It made my a-hole shoot out dragon's breath the morning of the LSU game last year.



Quite the punishment isn't it?

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:52 pm to
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Every Power 5 champion is an auto bid

Good, objective criterion there.
quote:

with the next 3 highest ranked

Oh, you just HAVE to add an element of subjective opinion to an otherwise objective system, right? You think that's going to solve the problem we have today which is a subjective selection system that's inherently prone to bias?

If you have to rely on opinion polls, why not just go back to poll era championships?
Posted by biclops
Member since Oct 2011
6149 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:52 pm to
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frick that place. It made my a-hole shoot out dragon's breath the morning of the LSU game last year.


I felt like the last of the Targaryen's.


Some LSU fans I've heard of have bad memories of that Krystal as well...
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:53 pm to
Give me a computer algorithm to pick this shite please. DO IT.
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