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re: 100 mph fastball isn’t what it used to be.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:53 am to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:53 am to Oilfieldbiology
Agreed, but his fastball was around 89 which is not the same as an 89 mph today.
I think his FB would have been closer to 93-94 in today's measurements but I am just giving an educated guess. His career was long and how those radar guns worked changed during his career.
If you didn't get to Maddox in the 1st couple innings, you weren't. He kept working that ump to get balls further and further off the plate called strikes. Then hitters could not figure where it was going.
I sat behind home plate one day and watched hitter after hitter lunge for balls just to be handcuffed inside. I didn't see a decent cut at the ball after two innnings. He threw a one hitter that day.
I think his FB would have been closer to 93-94 in today's measurements but I am just giving an educated guess. His career was long and how those radar guns worked changed during his career.
If you didn't get to Maddox in the 1st couple innings, you weren't. He kept working that ump to get balls further and further off the plate called strikes. Then hitters could not figure where it was going.
I sat behind home plate one day and watched hitter after hitter lunge for balls just to be handcuffed inside. I didn't see a decent cut at the ball after two innnings. He threw a one hitter that day.
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:04 am to XenScott
quote:If by everything you mean the bottom half of the bullpen.
Arky threw everything they had at ole miss and they stoned it.
A bizarre tactic from Dave van Horn for sure. Our #2 starter, #3 starter, and top reliever never saw the field yesterday and didn't play against Stanford either.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:09 am to XenScott
I realize a lot of people still don't realize, but for the umpteenth time:
THEY DO NOT MEASURE PITCH SPEED THE SAME AS THEY USED TO.
Please folks, listen and learn.
They used to clock the pitch speed as it crossed the plate/hit the mitt. Now they clock it as it leaves the pitchers hand.
Hence, the big uptick in pitching velocity. No, we do not suddenly have a generation of superbeast mutant pitchers.
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
THEY DO NOT MEASURE PITCH SPEED THE SAME AS THEY USED TO.
Please folks, listen and learn.
They used to clock the pitch speed as it crossed the plate/hit the mitt. Now they clock it as it leaves the pitchers hand.
Hence, the big uptick in pitching velocity. No, we do not suddenly have a generation of superbeast mutant pitchers.
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:10 am to HotRock
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Nolan Throwing 100mph on the old radar guns would be more like 110 or even faster.
bullshite.
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How the gun works is a big part of the speed difference.
I’m going to need to see some proof to this.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:12 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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A bizarre tactic from Dave van Horn for sure. Our #2 starter, #3 starter, and top reliever never saw the field yesterday and didn't play against Stanford either.
Great! I was hoping your pitching would be used up. Optimism tempered.... Should be a good game...
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:13 am to HotRock
Oh I’m not saying he isn’t incredible. Hell, he was probably the greatest “pitcher” of all time because he never gassed on by you but rather literally out pitched you.
I’m just saying if he wasn’t able to expand the lateral strike zone as the game progressed, despite absolutely nailing his spots, because the robot up doesn’t give two shits of about perfection of execution, only about where the ball is, he may not have gotten as many breaks. That’s all
I’m just saying if he wasn’t able to expand the lateral strike zone as the game progressed, despite absolutely nailing his spots, because the robot up doesn’t give two shits of about perfection of execution, only about where the ball is, he may not have gotten as many breaks. That’s all
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:16 am to XenScott
I was having this convo just yesterday. I played in the Big 12 in early 2000’s and there were a few guys that would run it up there in the 97-98 MPH range, but for the most part 90-92 was probably the average on any given weekend. Now everybody that steps on the mound seems to being touching 95. Have to wonder if these guns are juiced a couple MPH or if science+technology and training now has really added 3-5 MPH for these guys. I know radar guns measure different than older versions. they now measure velocity closer to the release point, where as it used to be as the ball crossed the plate but what affect that would have on the velocity being measured is way above my pay grade.
But just like has been mentioned multiple times already, if it’s straight, it doesn’t matter how hard your throwing. I’ll take 98 and straight over 88 with big time run all day long.
But just like has been mentioned multiple times already, if it’s straight, it doesn’t matter how hard your throwing. I’ll take 98 and straight over 88 with big time run all day long.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:18 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:Read my post. He's right. Though, it's how they use the gun, not how it functions in and of itself.
I’m going to need to see some proof to this.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:24 am to UKWildcats
Got ya.
Is it really a 3-5 mph difference from the hand to the glove?
Eta
I remember hearing about the hardest throwing pitcher of like the 1940’s or some early time frame that had to throw the ball through this contraption that timed it to go between these two sets of uprights and it calculated his pitch as 95 mph. The article stated that if using a radar gun the speed would have been closer to 102 mph
Is it really a 3-5 mph difference from the hand to the glove?
Eta
I remember hearing about the hardest throwing pitcher of like the 1940’s or some early time frame that had to throw the ball through this contraption that timed it to go between these two sets of uprights and it calculated his pitch as 95 mph. The article stated that if using a radar gun the speed would have been closer to 102 mph
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:30 am to XenScott
I feel like us and too many other SEC teams recruit guys who can throw hard hoping to turn them into good pitchers instead of just guys who can pitch. You see these small schools all the time with guys who only throw 88 but with good offspeed and location. Those guys are especially tough to hit if they're lefties.
It's like recruiting a 6'6 QB who can throw it a mile but can't do much else when a 5'11 QB who can run and throw accurately gets the job done better.
It's like recruiting a 6'6 QB who can throw it a mile but can't do much else when a 5'11 QB who can run and throw accurately gets the job done better.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:34 am to XenScott
Tennessee has that kid that throws 105
Too bad the rest of the team sucks
Too bad the rest of the team sucks
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:35 am to roguetiger15
Ole Miss reliever came in throwing gas but his out pitch was off speed. The Arkansas ran into one of his FB’s and if fricking launched out the park. It’s almost like fear of the heater is more impactful than the heater itself.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:39 am to HotRock
I came here to write this exact thing - back in Ryan’s day, they measured the speed of the pitch at the plate. Today they measure closer to where it leaves the pitcher’s hand. The 105 mph guys today aren’t coming close to Ryan in his heyday.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:39 am to Oilfieldbiology
Always knew when Nolan Ryan was pitching. There was a sound to his pitches because of how hard they were.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 11:54 am to sweetwaterbilly
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Side note: The commentating for the CWS is so good every year.
Last night they would get to complimenting each pitcher that Arky dragged out and then Ole Miss would lay wood.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 11:58 am to Hook Em Horns
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Greg maddux
Wasn’t necessarily unhittable, but was nearly impossible to get solid contact on him. He threw so many easy ground outs and pop ups.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/21/22 at 12:10 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Is it really a 3-5 mph difference from the hand to the glove?
A little more than that, I think.
7-10% deceleration at ~55ft due to drag on the ball.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 12:10 pm to XenScott
Greg Maddux is my all-time favorite pitcher.
I remember him throwing only 79 pitches in a game with 15 being balls.
He didn't throw heat by any measure, but his mix of pitches and particularly his dead eye location to place the ball wherever he wanted was masterful.
I remember him throwing only 79 pitches in a game with 15 being balls.
He didn't throw heat by any measure, but his mix of pitches and particularly his dead eye location to place the ball wherever he wanted was masterful.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 1:36 pm to XenScott
Greg Maddux never threw above 93 MPH and is a first ballot HOF.
It’s never only been about the fastball.
It’s never only been about the fastball.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 1:41 pm to XenScott
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An effective slider that you can back door is now the best pitch in College baseball.
We learned that in the 2005 Super Regional against Texas. They’re closer had the Nastiest back door slider I’ve ever seen.
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