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re: Who would you hire to replace Luke?
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:24 pm to rebelrouser
Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:24 pm to rebelrouser
We will never beat Saban as long as he’s alive considering Freeze left us in worse shape than he found us. How did the Hugh Freeze flier work exactly? We ended up with good receivers and a good transfer QB just like Nutt except with a worse defense and he managed to sink a recruiting game that even when we went 2-10 we got CJ, Moncrief and the boys. Oh and he played us for more money then sold us down the river to the man.
I’m not screaming he did nothing you’re missing the point I’ve been continually making is that he’s been deified and excused by too many ole miss to the point of absurdity not just here either. He doesn’t deserve any second chance here and I’d argue he doesn’t deserve a shot anywhere. He is directly responsible along with Ross for our current predicament.
Don’t misconstrue my posts as an endorsement for Matt Luke either. He’s a really nice guy who sucks at his job and he’ll get fired with a pretty nice golden parachute barring Matt Corral being Mocha Archie. I never wanted him as head coach either which every poster here than knows me irl can attest to. I don’t feel sorry for him or think he deserves any more time but he will not be fired before the 2019 season. That’s a fact. Just like rehiring Hugh Freeze would be the second dumbest thing Ross has done besides displaying exemplary cooperation with the feds.
I’m not screaming he did nothing you’re missing the point I’ve been continually making is that he’s been deified and excused by too many ole miss to the point of absurdity not just here either. He doesn’t deserve any second chance here and I’d argue he doesn’t deserve a shot anywhere. He is directly responsible along with Ross for our current predicament.
Don’t misconstrue my posts as an endorsement for Matt Luke either. He’s a really nice guy who sucks at his job and he’ll get fired with a pretty nice golden parachute barring Matt Corral being Mocha Archie. I never wanted him as head coach either which every poster here than knows me irl can attest to. I don’t feel sorry for him or think he deserves any more time but he will not be fired before the 2019 season. That’s a fact. Just like rehiring Hugh Freeze would be the second dumbest thing Ross has done besides displaying exemplary cooperation with the feds.
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Posted on 9/26/18 at 10:40 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
You can’t pull me into your post Kentucky nihilism yet. You have to wait until we blow a 40 point lead to Arkansas
Posted on 9/27/18 at 7:46 am to DMagic
quote:Freeze left us with 30 players in academic trouble, multiple players threatening to transfer because they loved Nutt so much and no NFL talent outside of Moncrief?
We will never beat Saban as long as he’s alive considering Freeze left us in worse shape than he found us.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 9:34 am to Henry Jones Jr
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Freeze left us with 30 players in academic trouble, multiple players threatening to transfer because they loved Nutt so much and no NFL talent outside of Moncrief?
No he didn't. Wait.. did he? Surely we were in better shape than that... if not, no wonder he did something to get himself fired.
This post was edited on 9/27/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/27/18 at 10:06 am to Henry Jones Jr
It was 22 players and 20 of those were drug and attendance issues which to his credit he cleaned up immediately. The other two were Nick Parker and Snoop who are both just dumb. All Nutt’s players hated him. The problem there is Freeze didn’t hold every player to this standard especially after 2013(when his profile got big coincidentally) and thus the fake label began to get applied. By 2016 almost all the players thought he was full of crap. He sold out Barney who followed him around and did grunt work for him since Arkansas state, he sold out the same boosters that helped stock his team with more talent than ever, he also questioned those same boosters loyalties after he got blown out by that mediocre Florida team, and finally he blew up the infrastructure that could’ve held it together after he left by hiring and keeping incompetent boobs as his assistants. His most egregious mistake to me that’s unforgivable is he made Houston Nutt a sympathetic figure and that disgusts me on a personal level.
In short Hugh Freeze never came closer than David Cutcliffe to winning the SEC even with superior talent in every facet excluding Swag and he’s still just behind Archie and Eli as far as QBs go. Face it your boy is a joke and it probably aggravates you that he validated state fans criticisms of him but it’s no one’s fault but his own.
In short Hugh Freeze never came closer than David Cutcliffe to winning the SEC even with superior talent in every facet excluding Swag and he’s still just behind Archie and Eli as far as QBs go. Face it your boy is a joke and it probably aggravates you that he validated state fans criticisms of him but it’s no one’s fault but his own.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 10:26 am to DMagic
quote:I've never cared if State fans were right about his character or not. The man could be banging hookers in the IPF for all I care and paying recruits any money they asked for. He won ballgames and if you don't think he elevated our program then we have nothing further to discuss
Face it your boy is a joke and it probably aggravates you that he validated state fans criticisms of him but it’s no one’s fault but his own.
This post was edited on 9/27/18 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/27/18 at 10:39 am to Henry Jones Jr
Where exactly did he elevate us Henry? Our defense is worse than the 2010 and 2011 defenses right now and those were the worst defenses we’ve ever had until this year because of him. We lost Walker Little and Cam Akers because of him and left Luke to pick up the pieces so thank God Scottie Phillips is good. He did things like beat Alabama, Auburn, State, and LSU in the same year for the first time ever but lost to Florida, Memphis, and Arkansas to finish third but beating the two teams in front of us. He only finished in front of state once I think in conference dude. Beating Bama in Oxford was more fun than I’ve had at a home game since we beat Grossman my senior year but it doesn’t blind me to the damage he caused and we still witness. OB was right just wait a year or two and you’ll get your wish sooner if Bjork is gone. But the suck you’ll witness isn’t just Luke’s fault as hard as you whine about it being so. Do you think I’m making it all up to trick you into liking Luke?
Posted on 9/27/18 at 11:31 am to DMagic
Bottom line is Freeze's approach was very feast or famine. No question he brought in a a few beasts that were able to take us to heights we hadn't seen in quite some time. Conversely, he fanned on some position areas that hampered his team's abilities to completely see things through. I also believe he was able to motivate players, at least certain players, beyond their abilities for a while. However, it appeared he had lost this ability toward the end of his tenure. That coupled with the waning recruiting or poor recruiting in spots had begun to set the stage for where we are now. And of course this is completely aside of all the NCAA stuff he either created, inflamed or both.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 2:23 pm to Insideradvantage
I agree with most of that and I agree with everyone here that Luke isn’t the answer. Henry just stands with Freeze like a lot of fans I know. I’ll never understand it.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 6:38 pm to DMagic
Right. I agree. I dont like the Luke hire, but for the love of God I cant understand the hate. People aren't giving the guy a chance at all.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 7:46 pm to Doresrules
Same here. I don’t understand any sort of hate towards Luke. Ultimately, he may or may not be the guy for the job, but I don’t doubt he wants to be that guy with every fiber of his being.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 8:12 pm to Insideradvantage
I don't hate Luke, I just think he is the absolute worse kind of coach. He is so lazy. Very very lazy. He doesn't try at all to better anything. He's a good cheerleader and that's it. He was a terrible O Line coach and is a terrible head coach.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 9:10 pm to Landmass
There is absolutely nothing lazy about Luke. The guy is working his butt off. He may not be the guy but it wont be from effort.
Posted on 9/27/18 at 10:11 pm to Doresrules
quote:Literally Ed Orgeron. Coach O busted his arse harder than any coach in Ole Miss history. Still sucked
The guy is working his butt off. He may not be the guy but it wont be from effort
Posted on 9/27/18 at 10:21 pm to Henry Jones Jr
I thought about making a long thought out post but it is pointless because DMagic has perfectly summed up how I feel. I didnt want Luke, but Freeze left us in such a state that he is about the best we could do. He will be fired within a year or two, and we will still suck for another 5 years. Not because of him, but because of Freeze. Screw Freeze
Posted on 9/28/18 at 9:09 am to Doresrules
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There is absolutely nothing lazy about Luke. The guy is working his butt off. He may not be the guy but it wont be from effort.
Please cite some examples for the benefit of the group because all I see is that he stands on the sidelines with his hands in his pockets looking stupid. When he is questioned by the media, he doesn't know what to say. The team lacks understanding of basic football fundamentals so he's not drilling that into them. The team has been completely unprepared for 3 games in a row, so he is not game planning.
So, what is this effort that you refer to and why should I believe after everything that I have seen that he is working so hard? He has a track record of the complete opposite.
This post was edited on 9/28/18 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/28/18 at 10:31 am to Landmass
I'm not a Luke or a Hugh Christ fan, but I would maintain that Pete Boone was more detrimental to our program than anything else.
Let's pretend that Hugh never happened, where do you think we would be today if Boone was never AD?
Let's pretend that Hugh never happened, where do you think we would be today if Boone was never AD?
Posted on 9/28/18 at 1:39 pm to Richard_Cranium
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Let's pretend that Hugh never happened, where do you think we would be today if Boone was never AD?
That's a loaded question. He had his bad moments, we all know but there were times when he would do great things. Look at Boone's South Endzone expansion as opposed to Bjork's North Endzone expansion? We had John Schaeffer for a bit and he sucked too. He's the guy that agreed to a home and home with Arky State.
So, without Boone, it could have been good depending on who was the alternative. Boone came in and did a lot of good with Tuberville initially.
Posted on 10/1/18 at 10:09 am to ABearsFanNMS
My dog would be better
Posted on 10/1/18 at 3:08 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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Charlie Strong
I'm not sure I'd die on this hill defending it, but I do think Strong had an impossible situation at Texas. Being a bit familiar with Texas, when your biggest donor hates you from day one for not being Nick Saban and continues to try and hire him behind your back for a good chunk of your time there, I can't imagine how difficult that situation was for him. Texas is already a nightmare even when they are on your side.
The team definitely has been and uphill slog for Herman to put back together since taking over, but Strong immediately started doing well at USF (admittedly having some pretty good talent waiting on him).
I still think what he did at Louisville and what he is doing at USF is more representative of his potential that Texas is. I also think he'd completely own recruiting here. At the very least, he's already been through what I think is the biggest pressure cooker in college football. Not sure that he would be #1 on my list, but I wouldn't hate it if he showed up either.
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