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re: Which Religion is the right Religion and why?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:12 pm to cforester821
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:12 pm to cforester821
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blind and mindless process?
You mean faith.
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:36 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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I think you just divided by zero
No, what he means is that Jesus wasn't into 'religion' either. Religion is burdened downed with too many 'rules'.
Jesus told us that there are only two: Love the Lord (God, Yaweh, Allah, whatever you call Him) and love your neighbor (that's everybody) as much as you love yourself. To love your neighbor means you don't steal from them, don't lie about them, don't cut their head off etc...
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:26 pm to KSGamecock
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Just think if how Jesus were alive today how many people would reject him, especially the Christian types.
If I could physically observe a man rise from the dead three days after being clinically determined to have died, I'll listen to pretty much anything he has to say. Same thing with a man who touches a paraplegic and suddenly he can walk again, or turns a couple loaves of bread and fish into enough food to feed thousands, etc.
It's why I've always said that if the gospels are true, what a lack of foresight God must have. Instead of having Jesus show up in a time where every miracle he performed could be viewed by a billion people on Youtube within minutes, and more importantly scientifically documented and confirmed, he has him show up in Iron Age Palestine and have stories of his miracles verbally passed on by homeless, illiterate jews and finally written down 30-70 years later by unidentified sources. To me, that in and of itself is evidence against the story being true.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:13 pm to HempHead
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:17 pm to KSGamecock
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Which Religion is the right Religion and why?
You missed one, an important one.
Ignosticism or igtheism is the idea that every theological position assumes too much about the concept of God and other theological concepts; including (but not limited to) concepts of faith, spirituality, heaven, hell, afterlife, damnation, salvation, sin and the soul.
Ignosticism is the view that any religious term or theological concept presented must be accompanied by a coherent definition. Without a clear definition such terms cannot be meaningfully discussed. Such terms or concepts must also be falsifiable. Lacking this an ignostic takes the theological noncognitivist position that the existence or nature of the terms presented (and all matters of debate) is meaningless. For example, if the term "God" does not refer to anything reasonably defined then there is no conceivable method to test against the existence of god. Therefore the term "God" has no literal significance and need not be debated or discussed.
Some philosophers have seen ignosticism as a variation of agnosticism or atheism,[1] while others have considered it to be distinct.
And it's right because logic. /thread
Also Jesus didn't ex-- kidding.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Some philosophers have seen ignosticism as a variation of agnosticism or atheism
There's nothing new under the Logical Positivist sun.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:30 pm to the808bass
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There's nothing new under the Logical Positivist sun.
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while others have considered it to be distinct.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If I could physically observe a man rise from the dead three days after being clinically determined to have died, I'll listen to pretty much anything he has to say. Same thing with a man who touches a paraplegic and suddenly he can walk again, or turns a couple loaves of bread and fish into enough food to feed thousands, etc.
What would the point of faith be if you needed to see these first?
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It's why I've always said that if the gospels are true, what a lack of foresight God must have. Instead of having Jesus show up in a time where every miracle he performed could be viewed by a billion people on Youtube within minutes, and more importantly scientifically documented and confirmed, he has him show up in Iron Age Palestine and have stories of his miracles verbally passed on by homeless, illiterate jews and finally written down 30-70 years later by unidentified sources. To me, that in and of itself is evidence against the story being true.
Yep, God should have waited for the iphone.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:54 pm to KSGamecock
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Just think if how Jesus were alive today how many people would reject him, especially the Christian types. They're usually (in my experience) rabidly conservative and hateful of random things and people so this random hippie dude travels around the country, doesn't get married or anything - just hangs out with his 12 best guy friends, preaching love for everyone and giving all your wealth to the poor. He'd be painted as some liberal Obama-drone. Kind of ironic.
Did he demand the rich give away their wealth? Or better, did he take the wealth by force?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:58 pm to Wild Thang
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Did he demand the rich give away their wealth?
I would say it's strongly encouraged.
Unless we're confident that Jesus was in fact a Fiscally Conservative Libertarian.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:59 pm to KSGamecock
The one issue atheists can never answer is this.
I'll agree with the Big Bang Theory. I can see how that scientifically happened. Let's all agree thats what started the universe.
So, what caused that to happen though? How did whatever caused this come to be?
If there was just nothing, where did something come from?
Where did whatever cause the BBT come from? How did it even exist?
I'll agree with the Big Bang Theory. I can see how that scientifically happened. Let's all agree thats what started the universe.
So, what caused that to happen though? How did whatever caused this come to be?
If there was just nothing, where did something come from?
Where did whatever cause the BBT come from? How did it even exist?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 12:00 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I would say it's strongly encouraged.
I wouldn't consider that a demand.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 12:12 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Well, there's always time to google "Logical Positivism" and adjust your responses accordingly.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:02 am to Wild Thang
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The one issue atheists can never answer is this.
I'll agree with the Big Bang Theory. I can see how that scientifically happened. Let's all agree thats what started the universe.
So, what caused that to happen though? How did whatever caused this come to be?
If there was just nothing, where did something come from?
Where did whatever cause the BBT come from? How did it even exist?
Whatever it was, it wasn't Yahweh.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:38 am to Wild Thang
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Did he demand the rich give away their wealth? Or better, did he take the wealth by force?
If the alternative is not receiving God's Grace/not going to Heaven/going to Hell, what's the difference?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:46 am to Wild Thang
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So, what caused that to happen though? How did whatever caused this come to be?
If there was just nothing, where did something come from?
Where did whatever cause the BBT come from? How did it even exist?
That is something that has puzzled me really for as long as I've ever even thought to contemplate those kinds of questions. Physicists say that our universe is actually likely part of a larger "multiverse," and so some say that the Big Bang likely originated from another universe within that. But ok...like you said, what came before that? It seems like the answers just raise yet more questions. The more we learn about the universe and the nature of our existence, the more bizarre it all seems.
So all that is to say...I have no idea, and neither does anyone else. I won't criticize anyone for how they attempt to wrestle with those questions, or what belief system they dub the "best," so long as they show everyone else the same courtesy.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 6:48 am
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:39 am to BrocraticMethod
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But ok...like you said, what came before that?
This is where physics becomes a little tricky. There's really no reason for us to assume that there was ever a beginning -- since we can't measure nonexistence.
I mean, if all things have to have a beginning, and nothing spontaneously appeared, then we have to apply this same logic to a God.
If we can exempt God from this logic and say that it (we'll use a genderless iteration) exists outside the realm of natural perception -- then why do we have a model with God inside the natural world?
It seems to me saying you know for a fact (or even ascribing faith) that there is a God, It started everything and you know this to be true because some guys wrote some spooky stuff a few thousand years ago -- is a dangerous assumption when we know so little about our surroundings as it is.
The universe can also be cyclical -- we're still very young as a species looking out into the void that we perceive to be endless.
Imagine if these black holes, created by dead stars (or other exotic processes), were in fact recollecting the light, material and other resources for the sole purpose of creating another singularity. Imagine if this happened over and over again.
It's an unromantic hypothesis for humanity -- but often times that's how reality is.
To get back to my original point: We're ascribing too much knowledge to an area we have too little evidence of and it'd be best to "wait and see" -- even if that's considered cowardice.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:50 am to Roger Klarvin
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To me, that in and of itself is evidence against the story being true.
Your reasoning and this line of thinking is not sound. You are trying to apply the logic of a mortal human to something that is all knowing and all powerful.
You don't understand why God would have done the things he did, but remember that you are his child. When you were young, did you agree with everything your parents told you to do and understand why the did what they did? You haven't aged very far beyond that point relative to eternity.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:55 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Yes, yes, let me hold your beer while you tell us what the universe is all about, honey.
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