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re: Time to celebrate: Net neutrality has been repealed
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:23 am to Carolina Tide
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:23 am to Carolina Tide
Congress could overturn it, but ISP's pay them enough to not.
Corporate contributions will be the downfall of our democracy.
Corporate contributions will be the downfall of our democracy.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 12:57 pm to hawgfaninc
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capitalism wins
Nothing says Free Market like the capacity to throttle resources out of your opponents.
This isn't Capitalism, Capitalism would be letting the best businesses flourish, not letting monopolies crush them under boot.
In November 2005 Edward Whitacre, Jr., then chief executive officer of SBC Communications, stated "there's going to have to be some mechanism for these [Internet upstarts] who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using", and that "The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment,"
That means if you're an indie website, frick you and prepare to have your data severely limited and that they will charge you more for the same product.
It's funny because Libertarians look at Corporations sodomizing them the same way fake Socialists look at governments doing the same thing. ''If it's a corporation limiting resources, it's okay because that's their right.'' But if this was the Government saying they had control over those ISPs? You'd be having a collective stroke.
Oh, and ETA: The Government will aboslutely use ISPs to control the internet, you thick frick.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:58 pm to wadewilson
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Corporate contributions will be the downfall of our democracy
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:06 pm to PhilipMarlowe
Y'all are all missing out on my NN polling thread on the poliboard. They've been whipped into a frenzy if anyone wants to go fishing.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's funny because Libertarians look at Corporations sodomizing them the same way fake Socialists look at governments doing the same thing. ''If it's a corporation limiting resources, it's okay because that's their right.'' But if this was the Government saying they had control over those ISPs? You'd be having a collective stroke.
Oh, and ETA: The Government will aboslutely use ISPs to control the internet, you thick frick.
Well said.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:31 pm to wadewilson
This is a bunch of pissing and moaning over something that will have little to no effect on most of us.
How many of you were bitching about throttled Internet in 2014? Censored content?
The government started doing heavy investment in my rural area for improved internet ($240M). But why in the hell is it the taxpayer's responsibility? Why not make the ISPs pay for it?
After all of that investment by the government, much of the Internet and streaming is done through cell signals.
Quit relying on the government to solve our problems. Social justice (net neutrality) is just another way to pad someone's pocket books through the government's blessing.
How many of you were bitching about throttled Internet in 2014? Censored content?
The government started doing heavy investment in my rural area for improved internet ($240M). But why in the hell is it the taxpayer's responsibility? Why not make the ISPs pay for it?
After all of that investment by the government, much of the Internet and streaming is done through cell signals.
Quit relying on the government to solve our problems. Social justice (net neutrality) is just another way to pad someone's pocket books through the government's blessing.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:02 pm to meansonny
What in the frick are you talking about?
You don't think a law saying that no one, even the government, cannot interfere with where the internet's resources are directed?
I voted for President Obama twice, I voted for President Trump after that and I've never considered myself a Libertarian, but this is the one thing that the government absolutely must not interfere with.
This was a pledge not to restrict, which is a good step in the right direction. Net Neutrality isn't SJW, nor does it actually help anyone other than the cable companies and big companies crush their competition through bribary.
If it doesn't change anything, why repeal it? Oh, because it does fricking change things. It absolutely changes things. It means that the government can now legally restrict servers dedicated to, let's see: Groups they disagree with, companies that the government supports, monopolies -- the list goes fricking on.
This is the first step of the long dick of the government slapping on your face until you get a concussion.
And I hate fricking slippery slope arguments, I think it's usually a weak argument but in this we can't give an inch. Not even a micrometer. We have to keep the net completely free of restriction because people, both corporate and government, will absolutely utilize ISPs to control what people can and cannot see (it's already happening) and I wouldn't trust a Democrat or a Republican with that power.
You don't think a law saying that no one, even the government, cannot interfere with where the internet's resources are directed?
I voted for President Obama twice, I voted for President Trump after that and I've never considered myself a Libertarian, but this is the one thing that the government absolutely must not interfere with.
This was a pledge not to restrict, which is a good step in the right direction. Net Neutrality isn't SJW, nor does it actually help anyone other than the cable companies and big companies crush their competition through bribary.
If it doesn't change anything, why repeal it? Oh, because it does fricking change things. It absolutely changes things. It means that the government can now legally restrict servers dedicated to, let's see: Groups they disagree with, companies that the government supports, monopolies -- the list goes fricking on.
This is the first step of the long dick of the government slapping on your face until you get a concussion.
And I hate fricking slippery slope arguments, I think it's usually a weak argument but in this we can't give an inch. Not even a micrometer. We have to keep the net completely free of restriction because people, both corporate and government, will absolutely utilize ISPs to control what people can and cannot see (it's already happening) and I wouldn't trust a Democrat or a Republican with that power.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 12:18 am to hawgfaninc
Serious question for the NN-fans, or anybody, really. In your locale is there more than one cable provider? There isn't here by local ordinance. It has nothing to do with federal laws. (As far as I know this is statewide, though I may be wrong.) I think opening this up would very damn quickly result in better service, higher speeds, lower prices, etc. And none of that requires federal intervention.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 12:52 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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no one, even the government, cannot interfere with where the internet's resources are directed?
Classifying broadband providers as common carriers did NOT place any restrictions on whatever it is that you think the government is going to do to your internet.
If you're not aware, congress long ago (over 20 years) granted the FCC the unique ability to ignore it's own rules at its discretion.
You're getting dickslapped by the government and didn't even know it. If they want to frick you, they're already doing it.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 1:52 am to Evolved Simian
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If you're not aware, congress long ago (over 20 years) granted the FCC the unique ability to ignore it's own rules at its discretion.
That's not the point -- the point is now that there is very little legal recourse if you can actually prove that the government has inhibited resources to your website.
If nothing changes by removing it, why remove it at all? You're so desperate to be edgy and have claim esoteric knowledge that you don't even look at the surface. This is an excuse for corporations to charge more for less, we all know it.
Removing it has an affect, and I will absolutely believe Berners-Lee (Inventor of the World Wide Web) over fricking AT&T/Comcast.
Also: This would make it much harder to have legal recourse if one could prove that their ISP was inhibiting traffic to their website, as it wouldn't even be illegal to do so.
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 1:54 am
Posted on 12/16/17 at 6:39 am to hawgfaninc
If you’ve ever dealt with Comcast for longer than 10 seconds there is no way you can think NN is a bad thing.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:09 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is an excuse for corporations to charge more for less, we all know it.
How much should they charge?
Posted on 12/16/17 at 9:33 am to meansonny
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Quit relying on the government to solve our problems. Social justice (net neutrality) is just another way to pad someone's pocket books through the government's blessing.
Oh, you're retarded. Carry on.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 10:05 am to hawgfaninc
jesus you really have always been the local retarded meathead, but this thread is bad. I'd wager you couldn't define capitalism without googling.
Posted on 12/16/17 at 10:12 am to hawgfaninc
well, you've certainly found your buzz words.
capitalism
free market
fear mongering
pat yourself on the back buddy. You're a walking cliche.
capitalism
free market
fear mongering
pat yourself on the back buddy. You're a walking cliche.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:11 am to wadewilson
quote:That analogy reveals the extremity of your position.
NN was a bandaid on a 12 gauge slug entry wound. Congress just ripped it off and didn't remove the slug.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:02 am to olddawg26
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Y'all are all missing out on my NN polling thread on the poliboard. They've been whipped into a frenzy if anyone wants to go fishing.
No thanks. Those posters are idiots. A few years ago they almost universally supported net neutrality. Then Trump came along. Trump doesn't have the first clue or understand anything about it, only that Obama supported it, and so he is against it, since Obama is trumps boogeyman. Now the poli Trump tribe is against it too. It's pitiful.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:59 am to hawgfaninc
You’re a fricking moron if you think repealing net neutrality is a plus for capitalism.
It’s the opposite.
It’s the destruction of capitalism because the big tech companies can squeeze out the competition by slowing down or cutting off the smaller start up websites. Amazon will get white club treatment with blazing fast speed while mom and pop online book store will get shut out.
It’s the Walmart effect, but on the Internet.
Capitalism is the idea of competition constantly competing for perfection. When competition is systematically eliminated, capitalism dies.
Congrats on being a useful idiot.
It’s the opposite.
It’s the destruction of capitalism because the big tech companies can squeeze out the competition by slowing down or cutting off the smaller start up websites. Amazon will get white club treatment with blazing fast speed while mom and pop online book store will get shut out.
It’s the Walmart effect, but on the Internet.
Capitalism is the idea of competition constantly competing for perfection. When competition is systematically eliminated, capitalism dies.
Congrats on being a useful idiot.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:59 pm to hawgfaninc
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people and companies making more money. more jobs. less government involvement
You are the dumbest bastard alive if you believe this.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:41 pm to The Sultan of Swine
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How much should they charge?
It's not about how much they charge, it's that they can now legally gouge prices and create fake demand and then charge you extra for it. There are companies who are bordering on monopoly and the government will ensure that they remain that way. This is the complete opposite of capitalism, and a complete affront to freedom.
Libertarians when government says: ''trust us, we won't actually do the bad thing you're afraid of us doing!!'' NO WAY MR. GOVERNMENT, SLIPPERY SLOPE, WE'LL BE LIVING IN CAVES AND FIGHTING THE GOVERNMENT IN A FEW YEARS.
Libertarians when corporations say: ''trust us, we won't actually doing the bad thing you're afraid of us doing!!'' The market will sort itself out.
There is a reason that the only people who actually want Net Neutrality to end are almost exclusively retarded anti-government groups and Cable/Communications companies.
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