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Posted on 1/24/15 at 2:58 pm to AUCatfish
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Equal protection under the law as provided by the 14th amendment?
They are being denied equal protection under the law?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 2:59 pm to Sentrius
Wow didn't see this coming
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:01 pm to AUCatfish
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Equal protection under the law as provided by the 14th amendment?
Equal protection of what Right?
Can this be applied so that all cities and states have to respect my right to carry a firearm then?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:06 pm to Alahunter
Maybe all of our queers will move to Alabama now.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:08 pm to OBReb6
Makes no matter to me. My view is that Gov't has no standing to be in the marriage business at all.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:08 pm to Alahunter
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Equal protection of what Right?
Equal protection under the law is the right.
As to your gun analogy, I agree that you should have the right to carry in any state if you are licensed, much like having a drivers license. Take it to court and see if it gets ruled in your favor.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:11 pm to AUCatfish
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Equal protection under the law is the right
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without due process of law
And if States followed this, is equal protection still being denied?
What about equal protection of fathers to be, in relation to women who have abortions? Are their rights being violated under the 14th amendment when they have no say in the pregnancy?
This post was edited on 1/24/15 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:12 pm to Alahunter
You see this is the typical response you will get. The homo hater doesn't want to come out and just say they are a homo hater so they try to dodge the question. Unless you can come up with an intellectual argument as to why gay people should not have the same marriage rights as hetero's, then its just painfully obvious you are a homo hater.
This post was edited on 1/24/15 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:16 pm to Alahunter
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What about equal protection of fathers to be, in relation to women who have abortions? Are their rights being violated under the 14th amendment when they have no say in the pregnancy?
How are the fathers rights being violated? I'm no expert in abortion law, but hasn't it been standard practice that in the case of pregnancy that the woman has the final say since she is the one actually carrying the child? I honestly don't know but don't think this applies to the question of gay marriage.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:19 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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marriage rights
Where is marriage a Right in the Constitution?
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painfully obvious you are a homo hater
Only one of us is spewing some hate and vitriol.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:21 pm to AUCatfish
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hasn't it been standard practice that in the case of pregnancy that the woman has the final say
To borrow from some others in this thread... wasn't slavery once standard practice?
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How are the fathers rights being violated?
Would the child or fetus be there to be aborted by a mother, if not for the father? Should he not have a right to have custody of his son/daughter, rather than be forced to see it murdered because his Rights are nonexistent?
This post was edited on 1/24/15 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:29 pm to Alahunter
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Where is marriage a Right in the Constitution?
So Alahunter is for banning heterosexuals from a marriage license since you dont believe its in the constitution. Or do you have an intellectual argument you want to try instead of looking for a way to telling us how you really feel.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:32 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Make marriage a social/religious only event. Eliminate all tax breaks and credits for the sake of being married. Individuals can hire lawyers and work out details concerning power of attorney in the event of illness/death, disbursement of property due to same or separation, etc. Would eliminate tax burdens on all citizens, foster an increase in private employment and eliminate yet another class warfare argument.
eta- And if it makes you feel better, you can still have a marriage license. Just wouldn't have gov't intervention in other areas of your life, just because you have one.
eta- And if it makes you feel better, you can still have a marriage license. Just wouldn't have gov't intervention in other areas of your life, just because you have one.
This post was edited on 1/24/15 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:36 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Why do some people hate gays so much and want to control their lives and restrict their rights? Whats the argument for those hateful people?
I always love how people on the pro gay side like to open up the dialogue by insulting and belittling anybody that feels differently. Alahunter hasn't even said he's opposed to anything in the moral part, just the legality of government in marriage and BPM resorts to name calling.
I think sleeping with somebody other than your married spouse is just as sinful/bad as hoarding money as somebody not giving money back as when they're undercharged at the register as somebody as somebody who cheats a little on their taxes as somebody engaging in a homosexual relationship.
Probably 75% of the Christian populace feels this way and they're homo haters because they dissent from the gay mafia.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:36 pm to Alahunter
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Make marriage a social/religious only event. Eliminate all tax breaks and credits for the sake of being married. Individuals can hire lawyers and work out details concerning power of attorney in the event of illness/death, disbursement of property due to same or separation, etc. Would eliminate tax burdens on all citizens, foster an increase in private employment and eliminate yet another class warfare argument.
So you want to eliminate the marriage license for everyone and just make straight and gay marriage a social event. Well that's fair, now go make a thread and talk about you wish to strip the marriage license from heterosexuals since that is your main goal here.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:39 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
I've said it many times, a couple times in this thread as well. Been pretty consistent in that stance over several discussions in the past.
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:52 pm to Alahunter
Marriage isn't a constitutional right. Neither is welfare or any other government service. Equal protection is a constitutional right which means that the government cannot deny legislated benefits without a compelling government interests. Localities could theoretically eliminate benefits like marriage (see states refusing funding from the Affordable Care Act), but just like the federal government they cannot give those benefits out in an arbitrary manner - they couldn't refuse to give welfare benefits on the basis of some pre-existing condition or self-identification.
You don't have to side with marriage equality, but at least now you know what the other side is actually arguing
You don't have to side with marriage equality, but at least now you know what the other side is actually arguing
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:56 pm to Dixie.Reb
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You don't have to side with marriage equality, but at least now you know what the other side is actually arguing
Where is marriage defined and when does the definition stop changing?
Posted on 1/24/15 at 3:57 pm to Alahunter
Why do you hate the gays?
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