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Let's discuss guns a bit.. and suggested safety, per the potus..

Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:23 pm
Specifically.. this "smart gun" technology he wants to force upon citizens. If it is so much safer, then why do you suppose he hasn't forced the SS guarding his family to use it as an example?
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95877 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:29 pm to
I love guns, but I imagine the SS has a tad bit more training than your average CWP holder.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68478 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:29 pm to
I'm all for having guns that won't fire unless the owner of the gun is handling it. That would solve A LOT of issues.
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

love guns, but I imagine the SS has a tad bit more training than your average CWP holder


Makes no difference.. why isn't he leading by example in forcing those protecting his family to use this great technological security feature?
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:45 pm to
So how does a smart gun work? Fingerprint? Voice id? Pricks your finger and runs your DNA?
Posted by Alahunter
Member since Jan 2008
90738 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:47 pm to
RFID/Biometric technology.

Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95877 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:48 pm to
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A personalized gun, or smart gun, is a firearm that includes a safety feature or features that allow it to fire only when activated by an authorized user. These safety features can prevent misuse, accidental shootings, gun thefts, use of the weapon against the owner, and self-harm. Smart guns distinguish between authorized users and unauthorized users in several different ways, including the use of RFID chips or other proximity tokens, fingerprint recognition, magnetic rings, or mechanical locks.[1] Related to smart guns are other smart firearms safety devices such as biometric or RFID activated accessories and safes.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17884 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:55 pm to
I'm surprised 11e on the 4473 form isn't enforced more. Millions of marijuana users illegally acquiring weapons. The president has admitted to it, maybe he should be barred from firearm purchasing (for moderate terrorists)
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28834 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 4:58 pm to
I'm not super opposed to the smart gun idea.

But if I come across a game time decision and don't unlock the trigger in time to fire, what's the point? It's stopping guns from doing what they're intended to do while stopping them from what we don't want them to do.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95877 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:03 pm to
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Millions of marijuana users illegally acquiring weapons.


I'd be more worried about a drunk with a firearm than a marijuana user.

Marijuana users would be less inclined to shoot somebody, considering I'm sure they test for illegal activity for any altercation with a firearm.
Posted by sullivanct19a
Florida
Member since Oct 2015
5239 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:08 pm to
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I'm all for having guns that won't fire unless the owner of the gun is handling it. That would solve A LOT of issues.


It wouldn't solve any issues. It would create issues. First, bad guys would study this stuff and find ways to defeat the fire/no fire mechanism.
Second, they will likely be vulnerable from a distance because inevitably they'll rely on electrical, not purely mechanical items.
Third, they will not be reliable or robust to various things like wearing gloves, having dirty hands, or bloody hands, etc.
Fourth, when one fails and the gun owner is subsequently killed, who is going to be held liable?
Fifth, the consumer and manufacturer nightmares that results from warranty issues and so forth will be hated by everyone.

These things will be found unconstitutional also. It's too much of an infringement on a right on numerous fronts.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:11 pm to
I don't have a problem with it.
Posted by sullivanct19a
Florida
Member since Oct 2015
5239 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:19 pm to
Sorry, but if any of you support this concept, you're a fool.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17884 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:32 pm to
I personally have no qualms with marijuana users owning guns, BUT it is the only scheduled substance specifically listed on the 4473 questionnaire. Kinda odd to this guy. We have a gun purchasing law nobody even acknowledges is broken millions of times.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15300 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:50 pm to
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Sorry, but if any of you support this concept, you're a fool.



Agreed. I agree with changing some of the loop holes the gun shows are getting away but this "smart" technology is either 1 of 2 things. A way for governments able to move towards having an automatic shut down chip for all civilian weapons in case of civil war. AND/OR a money grab on taxes to research companies who are friendly with the right people in the government.
Posted by kirbydawg
Dalton
Member since Dec 2015
1152 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 5:57 pm to
I think all Glock's should have SGT safety features...


Plaxico Burress supports this message...
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18073 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:13 pm to
The federal government had no right or power to do anything with guns... period. Matter of fact, there's a big ol amendment in the Bill of Rights that prevents them from making any gun laws.

People tend to forget that the government grabs power by pushing through things that sound like good ideas but then they use that as a precedent to push through more aggressive measures later.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37605 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

Specifically.. this "smart gun" technology he wants to force upon citizens. If it is so much safer, then why do you suppose he hasn't forced the SS guarding his family to use it as an example?


Smart guns are not smart.

And he supposidely wants to push the smart gun stuff on LEOs as well ... he used the argument that the recent shooting of a LEO by a radical muslim with a stolen police issued weapon, justifies his intent.

I already own a bunch of smart guns.

All of my firearms are smart enough to not fire unless my finger is on their trigger and I pull said trigger.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37605 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 8:33 pm to
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Agreed. I agree with changing some of the loop holes the gun shows are getting away but this "smart" technology is either 1 of 2 things. A way for governments able to move towards having an automatic shut down chip for all civilian weapons in case of civil war. AND/OR a money grab on taxes to research companies who are friendly with the right people in the government.


I rarely agree with you on anything ... but this time you are spot on 100% correct. You nailed it exactly.

Smart gun technology companies are big contributors to democrats. Just like the smart bullet manufacturers ... the ones who want serial numbers on every bullet and every casing. If they get their people elected they stand to make billions.
Posted by sullivanct19a
Florida
Member since Oct 2015
5239 posts
Posted on 1/16/16 at 10:32 pm to
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. A way for governments able to move towards having an automatic shut down chip for all civilian weapons in case of civil war.


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