re: Is Kentucky southern?

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Louisville is pretty much broke hipsters from Indiana, Illinois and Michigan.

The rest of the state is if Virginia and Ohio had a kid. Same scotch-Irish and German heritage.

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There are tons of people in Jefferson County that aren't broke hipsters.

Also, all of the Tidewater and Southside is English. The Shenandoah Valley is Scots-Irish and German.

pardon me ma'am,

1) bless your mother.. but none of that babbling holds sway over FACTS.

2) you spoke disparingly of Alabama's contributions to the Civil War.. i gave you FACTS about said contributions..

Do you mean taking God out of schools? No that was the democrats and liberals. As far as your slavery comment that would be your own race that sold your own people. The native Amercian issue is truly a disgrace on all American's.

Then why the hell did y'all vote for a democratic for governor?

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America is a great nation and is strong enough to stand the truth.

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All wars from the beginning of time have been fought for 3 things

Wealth
Power
Resources

North had factories
South had resources

Hard to run factories without resources and the South preferred to trade resources with England and France for better finished good,

As for Kentucky

Abe and Jefferson were both born in KY (not far from each other) and were quite aware of Kentucky as the most strategic state in the conflict. Abe knew this from the start and history says KY was neutral, but that was a lie. They were not allowed to leave.

From a strategic standpoint they were in between the North and the South and lots of military bases to train troops (one of the oldest arm companies - dating back to the Revolutionary War) was located about where the US Army Depot sits today near Richmond. Privately held till a decade or so ago before being "acquired" by a private in PA.

They were also the GLOBAL epicenter of hemp (important for canvas and rope) so a key component of goods and most important in the "Age of Sail"

They were the leading producer of horse and mules in the USA (still are today) which very important to armies before fossil fuel

One of the most fertile timber and coal states when both were important to fight war

Tobacco and Booze of course to keep troops happy

FWIW: While a "forced" neutral by Abe, they were disposed just the same as the Confederate states and most of the poverty in EKY is tied to the 2 - 4 families in NY and PA who used the Civil War to acquire the land for "free". The drug raping of the state is just a repeat a century or so later of the raping KY took on its resources from the Civil War.

Yes.

Especially the southern and SE sections.

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7. Georgia

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I've read that the people in Eastern Ky were pro-union while people in West Ky were pro-south. It was said to be similar in Tennessee where the East was loyal while the Middle and West were for the South.

The successionists were their own worst enemy because Lincoln probably would not have done anything to split the union like end slavery.

So a state that is

1. On the confederate flag
2. Had 35k-55k Confederate soldiers
3. 38 confederate generals
4. Had a confederate government that was represented by delegates from 68 of 111 counties (a 68 43 majority)
5. In the sub tropical humid climate zone
6. Is known for having southern culture
7. Is predomintaly Scot-irish and English in ancestry (except the 3 counties near ohio)
8.Had confederate represenatives in conferderate congress
9.Was settled by Virginians and North Carolinians
10. Had the 3rd most slaves in 1860
11. Voted for Lincoln at a 1000 votes per 1.1M people rate

Isn't southern?

LOL at a Missourian questioning any states ''southern'' label. The only reason you people even have any claim to Southern identity is because of Kentuckians and Tenneeseeans who moved to the little dixie area of Missouri.



As to why Kentucky never ''officially seceded''

1.Kentuckians supported unionism because they felt the best way to keep their slaves was to stick with the Union. Rather than risk it with a confederacy.
2. Kentucky never held a popular vote to secede because the state leg. was made up of transplanted midwesterners and old school whigs
3. Kentucky had economic ties to Northern cities so it coulnd't afford a war
4.Kentucky's slaves could easily flee across the ohio river if they seceded
5. Kentucky would have easily have been overrun by Union Soldiers had they seceded being right on the border of the North. Louisville and other towns would be decimated.

If you read Kentucky's neutrality document in the state archives it says Kentucky will go with the rest of the south if the North doesn't allow them to be Neutral.

Kentucky's union support was gone by 1864. The union considered Kentucky a ''rebel'' state and martial law was imposed. Kentuckians were shot in the the streets if Confederate sympathy was suspected. This combined with black soldiers joining the union army and the emancipation promlicaton led to many Kentucky union soldiers to denounce their Union support. Some joined confederate units and deserted their Union units. Many post-war Union soldiers running for Kentucky politics opnely denounced their Union enlistment as a mistake.

As for the enlistment numbers it was around 45k-55k Confederate and 66k-77k Union. Not that big of a split. 71 % of Kentucky men didn't join either side. Probably because they wanted to join the Confederate army but couldn't due to Union occupation. The 125,000 number you hear is from black soldiers being counted.
When the union tried to draft Kentuckians in 1864 they called for 16000 troops. To which only 1500 responded.



As to culture?

EKY is southern mountain culture.

Southern and Western KY is southern.

Central Kentucky is all southern with a tigne of midwestern influence mostly from Lexington transplants.

Northern KY (the 3 counties near cincy) is midwestern and German in heritage.
Louisville is a mix.


So to sit here and say Kentucky isn't southern is a complete lie. Some of y'all need a history lesson badly.