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re: Has anyone been more dominant, more respected, more known in sports than Jordan?
Posted on 10/11/15 at 2:12 pm to Mizzeaux
Posted on 10/11/15 at 2:12 pm to Mizzeaux
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Completely in the running. Niche-y sport, but completely dominant.
The fact that Gretzky is known by nearly every person alive during the 80s/90s early 00's despite playing an extremely "niche" sport is a testament to how big an icon he was.
Only thing Jordan has on Gretsky was that Jordan has the biggest athletic shoe brand in the country carrying his name
Posted on 10/11/15 at 2:21 pm to WG_Dawg
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Idk about secretariat..considering all the endorsement deals and clothing that MJ had.
Just because kid in China were making his shoes does not mean they knew who he was. While horse racing has declined in the US it is still a global sport and a super horse like Secretariat was globally known.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 2:49 pm to Cheese Grits
Secretariat and Sea Buisciut were more well know across the world, Jordan was probably more well know in the developed parts of the world only.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 4:31 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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The athletes of today would make Jordan seem average.
El oh fricking El.
Posted on 10/11/15 at 6:01 pm to bawbarn
I already amended. Keep your shirt on 

Posted on 10/11/15 at 6:38 pm to WG_Dawg
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Sorry but I don't believe this for one second. People all over the planet start teaching their kids about Jesus from the time they're little children.
How many Chinese and Indian Gods could you name by the time you went to middle school? Or any religion based in these areas?

Posted on 10/12/15 at 2:28 am to NATidefan
Jordan was great, but I think people are going a little overboard in this thread. I mean, pick any given game of his career at random, and you'll see him taking 50 shot attempts in that game. Many players can score 30 points per game if they throw up 50 shots.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 7:01 am to NATidefan
Phelps... dominated domination in front of 1.2 billion people in China.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 11:51 am to nc14
Unlike many of the modern players, Jordan played fantastic defense. He's top 10 all-time in many of the defensive statistics and was actually voted as Defensive Player of the Year once. He led the league in steals 3 times.
He was a prolific scorer yes, but he was also one of the greatest defenders in the history of the sport.
He was a prolific scorer yes, but he was also one of the greatest defenders in the history of the sport.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:41 pm to TeLeFaWx
I disagree with this somewhat players today are bigger at certain positions offensive lineman may be bigger but dbs have shrunk tremendously over the years. I think to you have to look at records and how even though current records are still standing that were set years prior
Posted on 10/12/15 at 1:48 pm to NATidefan
IMO Wilt Chamberlin was the most dominant athlete in his era. He once averaged 50 points and 20 boards shame for a season and forced about half dozen NBA rule changes.
Jordan was the "biggest" athlete ever however. He basically gave us modern sports marketing.
Jordan was the "biggest" athlete ever however. He basically gave us modern sports marketing.
Posted on 10/12/15 at 3:15 pm to CatFan81
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Tiger Woods?
Not getting enough love. He basically IS the sport of golf, Happy Gilmore in the flesh:

Posted on 10/12/15 at 10:10 pm to NATidefan
You spelled Jordon wrong
Posted on 10/13/15 at 8:52 am to CarolinaCock
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I disagree with this somewhat players today are bigger at certain positions offensive lineman may be bigger but dbs have shrunk tremendously over the years. I think to you have to look at records and how even though current records are still standing that were set years prior
DBs have shrunk? What are you talking about? Safeties and corners are in the 190-200 lbs range.
Posted on 10/13/15 at 10:58 am to ehole
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Phelps... dominated domination in front of 1.2 billion people in China.
Phelps is an elite talent but he doesn't have that constant staying power and media presence.
In my mind, the elite of elites class is probably Jordan, Bo Jackson, Tiger Woods. All were extreme athletes in their respective field, and all were media icons of the superstar sort.
Take Bo, who hasn't been relevant as an athlete for decades, and compare to Phelps. I think you can still make the argument Bo has a bigger everyday impact on American media/pop culture. Phelps may get to that point, but I doubt it.
Below them, you have elite athletes with a lot of media presence, like Federer, Kobe, Lebron, Brady, Manning. Of those, the one most likely to join the higher group is probably Lebron. Manning may have more media saturation in the US than any of the others, but I see him transitioning into a beloved, hosting NFL games guy rather than an icon. That probably has to do with his skill set, which is more subtle than Lebron, for lack of a better word.
Below those guys, I'm not sure who the next group with star power is. Jordan Spieth? Cam Newton? Newton has the raw physical ability and high likability, but likely won't ever achieve on the level the others have. Spieth will likely be the inverse, talent and championships without the charisma (though he is certainly likable).
Posted on 10/14/15 at 1:19 am to GenesChin
quote:The guy has more assists than anyone else has total points.
The fact that Gretzky is known by nearly every person alive during the 80s/90s early 00's despite playing an extremely "niche" sport is a testament to how big an icon he was.
He also had four 200 point seasons. No one else ever has had one.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:47 am to WG_Dawg
I'll give it to Pele, eventhough I really meant an American. And probably Babe Ruth as well. Gretzky was more dominant, but not as renowned. Same with Phelps, etc.
And to those of you that think Jordan would be average in todays game are fricking retarded.
Larry bird and magic Johnson would still be great playing today if they were in their prime.
And to those of you that think Jordan would be average in todays game are fricking retarded.
Larry bird and magic Johnson would still be great playing today if they were in their prime.
This post was edited on 10/14/15 at 3:54 am
Posted on 10/14/15 at 6:32 am to NATidefan
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I'll give it to Pele, eventhough I really meant an American.
Then you need to give it to Ronaldo as well.
Posted on 10/14/15 at 3:15 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Jordan changed the world by making himself a brand.
He is the sole reason (no pun intended) Nike is at the top of the food chain in the basketball landscape. They were able to snag Jordan as the face of the product line and ran with it.
Personally, the game isn't even a fraction of what the game used to be. The athletes are more talented, but they WENT AT EACH OTHER in the 90s. I was like 7-10 years old, but I vividly remember my jaw dropping at Jordan's play.
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