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re: Academic Rankings by the SEC (according to U.S News--World Report).

Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:45 pm to
Posted by MullenBoys
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:45 pm to
A new study by WalletHub ranks Georgia as the state with the highest dropout rate.
By Sydney Wu

LINK

According to WalletHub, Georgia also tied with Alaska for the education system with the highest dropout rate. The study also pins Georgia at the sixth state with the least safe schools.

Posted by Spock_4_AU
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:51 pm to
Why...Is...Mississippi...State...so...far...down?
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50239 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:59 pm to
A&M is falling like a rock. They upped their emphasis on class size.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 10:00 pm to
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Why...Is...Mississippi...State...so...far...down?


Down? They are "literally" at the top of your list.
Posted by MullenBoys
In the minds of Ole Miss fans
Member since Apr 2014
13673 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 10:12 pm to
Why do you only have 5 posts and all of them about Miss State?

Nice alt by the way loser.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 10:20 pm to
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The US News is actually pretty good.


Not in my opinion. Almost 25% of it is based on what peer universities "think" of your institution.

No weight is given to graduate salaries or any metric of success after graduation.

10% is how big are your class sizes

Universities are rewarded for having classes with fewer than 20 students

Their methodology is retarded.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted by TailbackU
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 10:30 pm to
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They upped their emphasis on class size.




Sounds like another University I know
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 6:54 am to
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No weight is given to graduate salaries or any metric of success after graduation.


Without a cost of living factorization or weighting based on chosen degree field, this is an irrelevant metric. I mean, a person with a law degree in Birmingham is going to make less than one in Los Angeles, but that's not indicative of which one is more successful.

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Universities are rewarded for having classes with fewer than 20 students


Because studies have shown multiple times that there's a higher percentage of student success for smaller classes. Professor to student ratio is a huge factor.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50239 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 7:40 am to
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this is an irrelevant metric


I would it is pretty easy to argue that this is the most important metric. Use this alongside something that measures favorable location (based on student's preference) and that is 95% of what I cared about for my degree.

I got paid well enough and I got to work where I wanted.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:24 am to
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Funny cause Business Insider ranked the University of Alabama as the hardest college to get into in the state of Alabama.



It's not entirely shocking considering the difference in #s of applicants.

But it's a reversal of what has happened in recent memory, where USNWR ranked Alabama higher than Auburn despite higher class profiles and admission difficulties for AU.

That may have changed now, but over the past 5-10 years, it was pretty uncommon to hear of Alabama denials getting into Auburn. The opposite (Alabama admits getting denied at Auburn) probably didn't happen that much either, but it appeared to be the more common scenario.
Posted by GenghisKhan
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:59 am to
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14096 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:04 am to
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Why...Is...Mississippi...State...so...far...down?



Because the source is a liberal publication and doesn't do its homework. No MS institution of higher learning is gonna get a fair shake, anyway. Ranking also fluctuates due to research grants, the number of them and if it's a field that's considered important to the ranking source. For instance, the study of zombies and vampires, and various arts may help your ranking, whereas, petroleum engineering, or types of applied sciences may hurt your ranking.

MSU has ranked much higher in recent years, and is considered a top 100 research school. However, MSU was recently moved from R1 research school to an R2. Auburn was also moved from R1 to R2. Meanwhile, Ole Miss now has an R1 classification.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:05 am to
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That may have changed now, but over the past 5-10 years, it was pretty uncommon to hear of Alabama denials getting into Auburn. The opposite (Alabama admits getting denied at Auburn) probably didn't happen that much either, but it appeared to be the more common scenario.

I'm pretty sure they're pretty equal right now. Wouldn't be surprised if the average ACT score accepted to UA has increased 3-4 points since Saban arrived.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 11:24 am to
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I would it is pretty easy to argue that this is the most important metric. Use this alongside something that measures favorable location (based on student's preference) and that is 95% of what I cared about for my degree.

I got paid well enough and I got to work where I wanted.


How would you measure a bachelor's degree if the person went on to a post-grad? What if they get their post-grad somewhere else? Does A&M get the benefit of a guy with his Masters from MIT in Mechanical Engineering?

There's a lot of variables, like I said. The more variables, the harder it is to determine the worth of Degree X at University Y in City Z.

I would argue that job placement % and post-grad entry % were more indicative, but even the first can be slanted slightly to greatly based on locale.
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:32 pm to
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The US News is actually pretty good.
no it sucks.
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:48 pm to
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MSU has ranked much higher in recent years, and is considered a top 100 research school. However, MSU was recently moved from R1 research school to an R2. Auburn was also moved from R1 to R2. Meanwhile, Ole Miss now has an R1 classification.




the research stuff isn't even relevant to the average student at colleges, especially the undergrads. Most people don't go into research when they graduate from college.

It is good for the university but i don't understand the focus on it in ranking colleges for prospective students and their parents.

US news rankings are definitely biased against colleges in less populated states. They have 3 public California universities in their top 10 public.
This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8174 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 3:53 pm to
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14. Mississippi State University
13. University of Mississippi


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6. University of Alabama
5. Auburn University


Posted by linus
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8174 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:37 am to
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Why do you only have 5 posts and all of them about Miss State?

Nice alt by the way loser.



Stay on topic.
Posted by CajunTiger_225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
9201 posts
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:07 pm to
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University of Missouri

Do they actually still have classes? Thought it was just a summer school now.
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