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Who was the most popular outlaw country singer at the height of its popularity?

Posted on 3/17/18 at 10:29 pm
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 10:29 pm
Out of the following-
Merle
Waylon
DAC
Willie

To reiterate, I'm asking about their popularity during the outlaw country movement, not overall legacy. Which singer would someone from LA or NYC be most familiar with in 70s?
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 10:34 pm to
I have never been Partial to that term "outlaw country"

What does it even fricking mean?

It's just a label that some people gave to themselves to sell more records.
I guess it worked. Those guys were selling a lot of records and getting plenty of airplay.
There wasn't anything outlaw about it.
Maybe they weren't getting invited to The Grand Ole Opry much,but that doesn't seem like much of a big deal to me.
There were even people trying hard to get themselves labeled as outlaw country artists.
Kind of ridiculous when you think about it.
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 7:45 am
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 10:36 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 10:43 pm to
Probably Waylon, but Willie was close.

For all practical purposes, Waylon and Willie were Outlaw Country at its peak.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 8:59 pm
Posted by TDcline
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 10:45 pm to
The popularity of “outlaw” country singers of the past has become synonymous with typical Luke Bryan bro country style pandering. They didn’t really listen to them, they just like to throw the name in their songs for credibility.

Probably Waylon. I’ve never been a huge fan of the music but I can respect a guy who actually writes about he’s lived.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 11:37 pm to
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For all pratical purposes, Waylon and Willie were Outlaw Country at its peak.


Hank Jr had a helluva a run during that era.
This post was edited on 3/17/18 at 11:38 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 11:50 pm to
quote:

What does it even fricking mean?


It was basically a break from the Nashville establishment. More folksy, Americana type stuff with a little southern rock influence.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 3/17/18 at 11:52 pm to
Yeah, I intentionally left him off my list because he was definitely # 1
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:21 am to
Merle was the biggest music star. Willie was the biggest pop culture star. Johnny Cash was bigger than both of them.
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 1:24 am
Posted by Chadaristic
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

Merle
Waylon
DAC
Willie


DAC shouldn't be mentioned amongst the others imo. He's complete dog shite compared to the others on this list.
Posted by redneck hippie
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

What does it even fricking mean?


Seems like I read once that it was a label made up by a New York magazine, maybe The New Yorker?, when they did a piece on country music that was hip in Austin in the 70s.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

DAC shouldn't be mentioned amongst the others imo. He's complete dog shite compared to the others on this list.



He was a pretty damn good songwriter, but he definitely wasn't in that top group.
Posted by Big Bill
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 2:59 pm to
Of that group, Waylon. Willie had more of a pop sound. As stated above, DAC better writer than singer. Merle good, but my money on Waymore.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Seems like I read once that it was a label made up by a New York magazine, maybe The New Yorker?, when they did a piece on country music that was hip in Austin in the 70s.


The origin was Ladies Love Outlaws

Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 3:05 pm to
David Allan Coe has the biggest hit of the group, and id bet city/suburb people are more familiar with his hits than the others
Posted by SCwTiger
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:44 am to
I think Waylon Waktawsha Jennings was a table thumpin smash.

Waylon
Hank Jr
Cash

Bakersfield singers (Merle/Buck) weren't outlaw country.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:50 am to
I've also heard it originated as a joke with a secretary at Tompall Glaser's studio who used tell those longhaired shaggy guys coming in and out of the studio that they looked like a bunch of outlaws. They ran with the joke and even put out an Outlaws record. with Willie, Waylon, Tompall, and Jesse Colter.
Posted by randybobandy
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:33 am to
quote:

Which singer would someone from LA or NYC be most familiar with in 70s?


Cher.......
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:37 am to
Willie had made his bones prior to that movement as a songwriter in Nashville....so he was very much responsible, if you will, for the "commercialized" country. The Outlaw movement was really started by Hank Jr. and Waylon as something as an act of rebellion to the pop sound tat was invading country at the time and Nashville producers that were pushing these guys to be more pop.

Waylon rebelled along with Kristofferson and embraced more of the Bakersfield sound along with a more Texas embrace sprinkled with some Americana . KK was everywhere in the early 70's with his hits like Sunday Morning Comin' Down, Me and Bobby McGee and Loving her was the Easiest ......

A lot of these guys came out of Texas and Oklahoma and Arkansas along with Central California. Kristofferson was from Texas , Waylon was from Lubbock, Willie was from East Texas, Merle was originally from Oklahoma, Cash was from Arkansas.....the outlier was Coe who was actually from Akron, OH....as was Johnny Paycheck
Posted by SthGADawg
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:11 am to
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Waylon



and it isn't even close.....he lived it and defined it....I mourned when he left us.

TBH...love him or hate him...Shooter has stuck to that legacy...regardless of where he has found himself when put up against the the usual measures of success or how popular he is or isn't...and I love him for it.
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