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re: Drink refuses to look in the mirror.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:22 pm to IlliniBuck
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:22 pm to IlliniBuck
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I would like to see a different QB from time to time just to see if the offense is sparked.
No doubt.
There are so many advantages to blending another QB into this mess it's beyond articulation. And even if Macon and Horn are low functioning nimrods, you can't tell me the coaching staff couldn't prepare a small package of plays for them to run: red zone, between the 30's. Something, anything.
The weakest arguement I hear people make to not do it is undermining your starter's confidence. I don't recall James Franklin cowering into a hole when Pinkel blended Maty Mauk in, or Mauk when Lock was given a series a game. Meanwhile the team and fans confidence is being undermined.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 6:23 pm to Mizz-SEC
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No doubt.
There are so many advantages to blending another QB into this mess it's beyond articulation. And even if Macon and Horn are low functioning nimrods, you can't tell me the coaching staff couldn't prepare a small package of plays for them to run: red zone, between the 30's. Something, anything.
The weakest arguement I hear people make to not do it is undermining your starter's confidence. I don't recall James Franklin cowering into a hole when Pinkel blended Maty Mauk in, or Mauk when Lock was given a series a game. Meanwhile the team and fans confidence is being undermined.
Drinkwitz said in an article in the St. Louis news that he had to scratch Horn for Vandy game due to OL and not to hurt his confident and development. It is a wrong time to put him in. Maybe the New Mexico State game? Might be a good one to put him in or in a game where the game is out of reach or winning big.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 9:28 am to TrueLefty
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ight be a good one to put him in or in a game where the game is out of reach or winning big
That is a dangerous requirement. That could be 3 years from now.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:18 am to notsince98
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I provided a significant amount of data showing otherwise that you ignored.
You know those numbers are very misleading.
1. Last year Bean’s ratings in his 8 starts in order. 143, 121, 94, 152, 90, 74, 178, and -1.6.
-1.6 is not a typo it is a negative rating and after that game he lost his starting job. He followed his 178 start against 8-0 OU with a -1.6 against OSU.
2. His best start last year with a rating of 178 is better than his first start this year of 143. His 1st start last year was 143 and his 1st start this year was 143, so that mens his 174 rating is very inaccurate.
3. Which rating is better a 143 in his first start last year with 2-10 team or a rating of 143 this year with a team that was 5-2?
4. Has he developed or is he about the same? We don’t know because he has had only 1 start.
Statistics are not always accurate and especially when it comes to football. With statistics you can change one variable and come up with an outcome that supports your narrative. The significant data you provided is not significant at all just misleading.
This year they started off 5-0 and will end up 5-7. Their best chance for another win is against Texas Tech. ESPN statistics has Tech favored 71.7 to 28.3.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 10/26/22 at 10:24 am to MizzouBS
You want to cherry pick single games to refute a conclusion about player development over many games. Interesting tactic.
The numbers aren't misleading at all. ku is bette this year even with bean at QB than they were most of last year. Even if you look at last year in a vacuum the team got much better as the season went on.
Bean isn't hurting ku at all since Daniels got hurt and he is clearly better than he was last year. Their schedule got tougher this year and team results have reflected that.
Also, he has started the last 2 games and played most of the one before that. His first start this year was 176 @ OU.
The numbers aren't misleading at all. ku is bette this year even with bean at QB than they were most of last year. Even if you look at last year in a vacuum the team got much better as the season went on.
Bean isn't hurting ku at all since Daniels got hurt and he is clearly better than he was last year. Their schedule got tougher this year and team results have reflected that.
Also, he has started the last 2 games and played most of the one before that. His first start this year was 176 @ OU.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 10:27 am
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:28 pm to notsince98
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You want to cherry pick single games to refute a conclusion about player development over many games. Interesting tactic.
I think we are both cherry picking numbers.
When it comes to Drink developing a QB he has not had the talent to develop. Cook’s only FBS offer was from Missouri. He would not start for a team in the Big 12 or another team in the SEC.
Daniels would start for a lot of P5 team’s and Bean would start for some too
I missed the OU game for Bean’s stats. He took over a 5-1 team and will lose their last 6 as a starter. His 174 rating will drop a little and look more like his 2020 season.
I’m going to cherry pick some more numbers. Statistics in football are not always accurate, but I have some stats
Beans shortened 2020 Season with a 0-9 team.
He ended the 2020 season with a 145 rating. He threw for 1,131 yards, 14 TD’s, and 5 INT’s.
2021 Season 8 starts with 2-10 team
He threw for 1,252 yards, 6 TD’s, 6 INT’s, and 118 rating.
By the end of the season his rating will probably be closer to 145 than 174
We won’t know about Bean’s development until the end of the year. Last year his numbers were down with a better team, but he was a better QB than he was in 2020. He is a better QB this year than he was in 2020 or 2021. His improvement is probably the natural progression of a player. Bean is better than his 2021 statistic’s. Cook’s development is not going to get better. He may have a little natural progression, but he doesn’t have the talent for for Drink to develop him into a P5 starter. Both Daniel and Bean have more talent than Cook
Drink tried to get a transfer and ended up with Abraham. I thought in the summer Abraham would be the starter. Drink tried to replace Cook with him in the KState game and he looked worse than Cook. Cook should transfer to Lindenwood. He will probably be the 3rd string QB if he stays. He will be behind Horn and Gabarri. Hopefully Macon will be improved and be in the mix for 2nd string or he should transfer too.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/26/22 at 1:36 pm to MizzouBS
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When it comes to Drink developing a QB he has not had the talent to develop.
Not going to read past this false premise. Developing is all about maximizing potential. It doesnt matter if a player's potential is 3 or 10, it is a coaches job to get everything out of them that is possible. Drink isn't doing that.
Is brady cook an all SEC QB? Hell no. Is cook capable of making passing decisions that dont result in pick 6? Yes. Any high school QB is capable of that when coached properly.
If drink can't figure how to actually coach, the talent complaint is moot and a waste of time.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 2:48 pm to notsince98
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Not going to read past this false premise. Developing is all about maximizing potential. It doesnt matter if a player's potential is 3 or 10, it is a coaches job to get everything out of them that is possible. Drink isn't doing that.
Cook has met his potential. Every FBS coach/scout and most FCS schools that watched him play in high school or watched video of him passed. He had 1 FBS offer and 2 FCS offers. He has improved a lot at Mizzou he just doesn’t have the talent.
A coach can only do so much with the talent he has to work with. I’m sure Cook has worked really hard with every bit of talent he has and it has helped him play at Mizzou. Some players never live up to their ability and some are overachiever’s. Cook is the overachiever. He came here as 1 out of 10 talent and will leave a 3 out of 10 player.
We had a QB play at MSSU a few years ago. He started his career at Georgia then transferred to Iowa State. He started a few games at ISU then he was benched. He came to a D2 school and was above average QB for a losing team. Cook is a better player than he was with less talent.
Posted on 12/23/22 at 10:59 pm to everytrueson
Same shite- 3 months later.
Posted on 12/24/22 at 9:42 am to everytrueson
I listed to the radio. Got tired of hearing "Behind the reciever, over his head, at his feet." Also got tired of hearing about "The open reciever he didn't see."
Been hearing this all year.
The Quarterback needs to be accurate, and he needs to see the field. Cook does neither.
Maybe another QB would be worse. But at this point I'm not interested in excuses, I need to see it. And if it's true that the other QBs on the staff offer no improvement, then the program is in deep shite.
Been hearing this all year.
The Quarterback needs to be accurate, and he needs to see the field. Cook does neither.
Maybe another QB would be worse. But at this point I'm not interested in excuses, I need to see it. And if it's true that the other QBs on the staff offer no improvement, then the program is in deep shite.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:05 am to AmishSamurai
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 10:58 am to JBlutarsky
My original post was from 10-01-22.
Evidently I went back in time to post about the WF game (that I didn't watch).
And I'm the dumb***
Lol.
Evidently I went back in time to post about the WF game (that I didn't watch).
And I'm the dumb***
Lol.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:04 am to JBlutarsky
I don’t think you get how terrible that clock management is. If you sub, the other team gets time to run new guys out there. This isn’t the NFL. This ain’t the first time Drunkwitz has had that happen.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:14 pm to everytrueson
Looks like he did in the middle of the season. Just so bizzarre the dude thinks he is some sort of offense master mind.
Such a pathetic performance. He has to make changes this next season or they better can his arse.
Such a pathetic performance. He has to make changes this next season or they better can his arse.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:48 pm to Tiger_Claw
The worst coach is the one that does just enough to stick around.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:04 pm to JBlutarsky
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I believe the clock would have run out if he hadn't. The ref wouldn't move out of the way so we could call a play because Wake Forest
We have known all year that Cook is terrible and the defense is what wins games. I am one of the biggest Cook critic’s and have been all year. The offense didn’t lose the game the defense played like shite. The defense is what we have relied on all year. The defense just needed the offense to play a bad to below average game, but not terrible to win. The offense didn’t play terrible.
Perry is not in the top 5 WR’s we have played all year and Hartman isn’t in the top 5 QB’s we have faced. We made them look like they were SEC caliber duo.
We were missing starting players on defense, but that is not what lost the game. They were about as good as Vandy. The offense played terrible against Vandy and the defense is what saved us. In this game the offense played better than they did against Vandy and we lost.
KAD looked lost most of the game. He runs a 4.39 to a 4.42, but he looked slow.
It wasn’t the play calling(not that it was good) or the clock. We had 21 first downs Wake had 22. The OL gave up 2 sacks until the last 2 minutes of the game. Cook completed 29 passes(which is amazing for him) and we rushed for 114 yards. That is good enough for us to win.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:56 pm to AmishSamurai
I saw that.
I didn't realize we were still bitching about the Georgia game and all you ever do is bitch.
So, you're still a dumb arse.
I didn't realize we were still bitching about the Georgia game and all you ever do is bitch.
So, you're still a dumb arse.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 6:04 pm
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