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re: Could Saban have had the same success if he never left LSU?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:44 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:44 pm to RollTide1987
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People like to act like Alabama is just some other school in the SEC and that anyone can be them with the right coach. Where in the history of the Southeastern Conference has this been shown?
How about early 2000s? LSU and Florida were far superior to Bama until Saban showed up.
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Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:49 pm to TheFourHorsemen
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Alabama wins 1 or 2 from 08-20. Stallings won in 92 and close in 1994.
Stallings better coach than Coach O or Miles.
What were the similarity from Saban and Stallings? Both went to the NFL and then went to Alabama and succeeded!
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
For the most part I agree. Saban´s a better coach than he was when he landed in Ttown in 07. There´s no reason to think his evolution wouldn´t have happened in Red Stick.
Only sticking point might have been Mal Moore and the way he molded the framework for Saban´s authority. Without total authority over the entire program I don´t think he´d have been as successful no matter where he landed.
Only sticking point might have been Mal Moore and the way he molded the framework for Saban´s authority. Without total authority over the entire program I don´t think he´d have been as successful no matter where he landed.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:55 pm to Jebadeb
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How about early 2000s? LSU and Florida were far superior to Bama until Saban showed up.
Much of Alabama's struggles had to do with the major sanctions Alabama received from the NCAA in both 1995 and again in 2002.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:58 pm to SidewalkTiger
Alabama is the "name" SEC football team, winning at least 1 NC every decade since 1920, except the 50's and 80's
Alabama is either #1 or #2 in TV appearances
Alabama has been to and won more bowl games then any other team
Alabama has 5 head coaches win NC while at Alabama, 4 of them won multiple titles
etc..... so there is something special about Alabama, always will be
Would Coach Saban have as much success at LSU. no
Reason, Alabama probably would have hired Dabo
or
Alabama would have hired Meyer, or Saban (away from LSU)
There is also the fact that if Coach Saban was at LSU in 2013, he would have gone to Texas
Alabama is either #1 or #2 in TV appearances
Alabama has been to and won more bowl games then any other team
Alabama has 5 head coaches win NC while at Alabama, 4 of them won multiple titles
etc..... so there is something special about Alabama, always will be
Would Coach Saban have as much success at LSU. no
Reason, Alabama probably would have hired Dabo
or
Alabama would have hired Meyer, or Saban (away from LSU)
There is also the fact that if Coach Saban was at LSU in 2013, he would have gone to Texas
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:01 pm to TrueLefty
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What were the similarity from Saban and Stallings? Both went to the NFL
And that's where those similarities end. Before Gene Stallings arrived at Alabama in 1990, he had 11 combined seasons as a collegiate and professional head coach. In those 11 seasons, he had exactly one where he finished above .500 for the year. He was a combined 50-79-2 as a head coach prior to 1990. At Alabama, he went 70-16-1 in seven seasons as head coach.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:01 pm to TideFaninFl
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Would Coach Saban have as much success at LSU. no
Reason, Alabama probably would have hired Dabo
or
Alabama would have hired Meyer, or Saban (away from LSU)
There is also the fact that if Coach Saban was at LSU in 2013, he would have gone to Texas
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Would have definitely won just as many titles
No way he gives us a season like 19
No way he gives us a season like 19
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:11 pm to nicholastiger
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Would have definitely won just as many titles
Doubtful.
He could only deliver you half of one in 2003.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
He did. If he stays , LSU likely wins 2/3 between 2005,2006, and 2007. Pretty sure the 08/09 drop off does not occur and you likely win 2010 and 2011 back to back (simply based upon existing roster).
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:13 pm to DirtyDawg
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How dare college football fans discuss hypotheticals and what ifs in the middle of buttfrick July.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:13 pm to RollTide1987
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He could only deliver you half of one in 2003.
Meh, that team won their title on the field.
That's more than could be said for a lot of Alabama teams.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:23 pm to michael corleone
Might as well throw 2012 in there as well 
2005 we didn’t have a shot
2005 we didn’t have a shot
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:26 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Meh, that team won their title on the field.
That's more than could be said for a lot of Alabama teams.
I get you're trying to say that LSU would be at same level as Alabama with Saban staying that's a totally fair argument.
Only thing I disagree with is certain schools do have higher ceiling than others and traditions and prestige does play a role.
Better Topic is to subtract Saban from both programs. Who do you think would have won a title first in the new century Alabama or LSU?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:28 pm to SmokeTide
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Better Topic is to subtract Saban from both programs. Who do you think would have won a title first in the new century Alabama or LSU?
Ohhh that’s good
Gotta go with Bama
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:31 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Bama is Bama because of Bear, Stallings and Saban. Not the other way around.
Wallace Wade and Frank Thomas before Bear. But yes, college football is about coaching. Bama has been blessed with more than our share of good coaches. Saban if given full control of LSU's program as he has at Bama, would likely have as much success.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:34 pm to Sun God
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They either have to admit that Miles was a better coach than Saban in that time period or admit that maybe Alabama isn’t particularly special compared to some other schools.
Actually, it shows how special Alabama is when Saban couldn't get to back to back 10 win seasons in 5 years at LSU when he hasn't had fewer than 10 in any season at Bama after the first one.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:35 pm to SidewalkTiger
Saban would have the same success at any school with similar resources and administrative support.
Texas, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Texas A&M, Penn State, Florida state...
He was on the cusp of taking LSU to the next level when he left as evidenced by Miles immediate success.
Texas, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Texas A&M, Penn State, Florida state...
He was on the cusp of taking LSU to the next level when he left as evidenced by Miles immediate success.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:36 pm to mbogo
Miles had three in a row after Saban left. You don’t think Nick could’ve kept that going?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
FIVE pages of shoulda, woulda, coulda!
Why do you clowns keep doing stuff like this to yourselves?
It just exudes jealousy and envy.
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