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re: Great win for program momentum

Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:38 am to
Posted by stat19
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:38 am to
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showed a glimmer of progress on defense,


It's almost as if someone besides Golding was calling the plays.
Posted by The Spleen
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:39 am to
Honestly, I think we've reached a point where Saban's defense is just too complex to be effective against today's offenses. It seems players are out there thinking too much instead of reacting, especially at LB and S. I'd be interested to know if they greatly simplified things in the second half and let just play. Seems to my eye they did, but I'm not an X and O's expert by any means.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:41 am to
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Boatloads of talent don't get pushed off the ball like they're on roller skates. Boatloads of talent don't take awful angles when pursuing. Boatloads of talent don't let TEs who are 2 steps slower run a simple out route and beat you to the flat.

I'll believe we have all this talent when we start physically whipping people's asses up front.




That's not a talent issue, it's a scheme issue, it's a failure to get these guys coached up and playing good fundamental football. Kirby said it correctly in his post-game presser. "Alabama out physical us." He was 100% correct. Georgia still had plenty of receivers running far too open to say we have solved our scheme issues.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:42 am to
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The 2 biggest recruiting disappointments we've had recently imo are Anoma and Alfano.


For me, the biggest recruiting disappointment has been the lack of a stud Mike. A dude like Nakobe Dean would help our defense immensely.
Posted by TidalSurge1
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:50 am to
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For me, the biggest recruiting disappointment has been the lack of a stud Mike. A dude like Nakobe Dean would help our defense immensely.


So would dudes like Moses, Harris and Kaho if they were coached well.
Posted by remaster916
Alabama
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:50 am to
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Kirby said it correctly in his post-game presser. "Alabama out physical us."


I think Kirby was talking about Bama's offense running the ball down their throat in the 4th quarter.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:51 am to
Georgia has really only had one better recruiting class since Kirby has been there. 2018, and that class has fallen apart for them as well. Justin Fields gone, Luke Ford gone, Cade Mays gone, Branton Cox gone, Nadab Joseph never qualified, Otis Reese just transfered to OM. Divaad Wilson left. That UGA class is about half of what it once was.

They have closed the talent gap but they are not more talented than we are currently. Nobody is.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 9:54 am
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:53 am to
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if they were coached well.


I get it, you hate Golding, you make that clear in the majority of your posts.

But Moses (playing out of position), Harris, and Kaho are all Wills, no? Isn't Dean a Mike?
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:54 am to
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Justin Fields gone


If I was an UGA fan, this one would hurt the most, forever.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 9:55 am to
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That's not a talent issue, it's a scheme issue, it's a failure to get these guys coached up and playing good fundamental football. Kirby said it correctly in his post-game presser. "Alabama out physical us."


He damned sure wasn't referring to our defense. If their OC hadn't channelled his inner Pussmeier or Kiffin and abandoned the run, we were done for. We were getting blown up at the point of attack every run play.

Name one player in our front 7 that an opposing playcaller has to scheme around. Name one defensive player the other QB comes to the line of scrimmage and says, "Where's that guy?"

I know in this environment of blaming Golding for everything from the national debt to the Chinese Flu it's not popular to look at the players. I'd can Golding, too. But it's time to face facts. Our defense is a collection of JAGs and not much more.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:02 am to
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I think Kirby was talking about Bama's offense running the ball down their throat in the 4th quarter.


I think so too. But our defensive line was a lot more effective batting balls and putting pressure on the little fellow in the second half.

Here's an argument I would readily make about our defense going forward.

Watching a pack of DBs and safeties shutting down Lane Kiffin Saturday was remarkable. Their 2 best defensive players, including Bumper Pool in the middle, didn't even play. They mixed coverages beautifully all day. They played soft coverage zones mostly to keep everything in front of them with 3 safeties. They were jumping routes all day. They were not chasing Ole Miss receivers in all that macho man to man style we love so well. Corral threw 6 interceptions and 2 were pick-sixes. He wasn't just having a bad day, he couldn't see his receivers open. Ole Miss got down on the goal line a number of times and got stuffed at the LOS and got nothing out of it. You don't want to know how many stars are under those razorback helmets and frankly how many guys they've "MISSED ON" the last 20 years.

Barry Odoms outcoached Lane Kiffin. They out-hit them and they kept all that Kiffin magic in front of them in a soft coverage zone. Barry Odoms out-schemed Kiffin and outcoached him for 4 quarters.

Someone explain to me how Arkansas has more defensive talent than Alabama?







Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:05 am to
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Someone explain to me how Arkansas has more defensive talent than Alabama?


the obvious answer is they don't have more talent
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 10:16 am to
Yeah I mean, our defense still showed its flaws on Saturday, but it also looked a wholllle lot better than the previous week. I guess there was only one way to go after the OM performance, but it was nice to see some guys on our D step up and make plays. At least they showed some fire and grit.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:03 am to
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the obvious answer is they don't have more talent



You are correct sir.

What is ironic is that after Miss State destroyed LSU's man to man and passed for over 600 years on Bo Pelini's defense, Arkansas gets them the next week. They rush 3 and drop 8 and zoned up and completely shut down Mike Leach's offense that was running wild 7 days earlier. They intercepted Costello 3 times and had a pick-six in that one too. They held the dawgs to 300 yards passing. Miss State did to LSU's man to man schemes what Ole Miss did to Alabama. Arkansas would have none of it. In both cases, Barry Odoms gave his guys a scheme that let them deal with the frenetic pace and precision of these offensive "geniuses." And the DC did it with a pack of 2 and 3 stars.

This seems to me to be a lot more about not being so stubborn in your belief system and past schemes that you don't offer the kids a better blueprint.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:17 am to
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I get it, you hate Golding, you make that clear in the majority of your posts.

But Moses (playing out of position), Harris, and Kaho are all Wills, no? Isn't Dean a Mike?

I don't hate Golding (or anyone). I just see lots of evidence that he's been pretty incompetent as Bama's DC/ILB coach. Good coaching could prepare Moses, Harris and Kaho to play both the Mike/Mack and Will positions. Nakobe Dean is UGA's starting Will, but he would've started at Mike vs Bama if 3-star Monty Rice's foot injury kept him from playing. It appears to me that UGA has much better DC/ILB coaching than UA has.
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 11:27 am
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:36 am to
I disagree about the talent. Its just not where it was 3 years ago. Not even 2 years ago.

The inside Linebackers are probably the most athletic duo Bama has had under Saban, but the instincts and football IQ are the lowest. I always want Bama linebackers to be native born Bama boys. I'd trade Dylan Moses for Monty Rice easy. Harris still has promise.

DJ Dale is not Daron Payne, Ashawn Robinson, Jarran Reed, Dalvin Tomlinson etc. Barrimore is no Quinnen Williams. There is no Jonathan Allen on this Dline. None of thses guys are even D'Shawn Hand.

This Dline isn't stout against the run and has very little pass rush ability outside of Barrimore.

The safeties don't tackle well and take bad angles when the ball is in the air.

The talent level has dipped to 2013 levels on defense.

Posted by Hawaiian Punch
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:38 am to
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It appears to me that UGA has much better DC/ILB coaching than UA has


You’re dead spot on. UGA’s defense is coached VERY well - they were just outmatched by an exceptional Bama offense. Their guys were rarely out of place, didn’t really overrun many plays, correctly passed off receivers in coverage; but our guys were just too much for their guys to handle.

To all the posters saying we don’t have talent, I completely disagree. We cause a decent amount of QB pressure, but we are so lost in coverage that the QB can typically find open guys and make something out of (what should be) nothing.

I was more encouraged by the defense showing a little bit of fire during the game, but there are still glaring issues that good Quarterbacks and offenses will make us pay for. Not taking anything away from our win - it was a great team win - but I’m just pointing out that moving forward we need to continue to improve.. a lot.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 11:41 am to
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I disagree about the talent. Its just not where it was 3 years ago. Not even 2 years ago.


Lesser "TALENTED" teams like Arkansas are getting better results against teams Alabama and LSU have already played. Much better results.

How do you feel about that my friend?
Posted by BhamDore
Nashville
Member since Aug 2009
6297 posts
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:04 pm to
Can't compare. The the level of preparation and intensity from the other team when facing Alabama is not comparable when facing Arkansas.

Alabama is always going to get everyone's best while it's hard to manufacture the same level of focus, intensity, preparation for Arkansas.


Who on this Bama defense would start for 2015, 2016,2017? Maybe 2 guys. Surtain is the only definite.

The talent just ain't what it was. You don't lose Kirby and Pruitt to conference mates and don't think they will pluck a few that normally would be at Bama.


Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:15 pm to
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Can't compare. The the level of preparation and intensity from the other team when facing Alabama is not comparable when facing Arkansas.


Can't compare? Miss State put over 600 yards on LSU. Ole Miss broke an all-time historical record and put almost 650 yards on Alabama. They ain't a bad day at the shop. That is historically bad. That was defensive chaos, confusion, incompetence, indifference, that went on for 4 quarters.

Join the discussion if you like, but if you think we have to have the number one defense in the nation to play with Miss State and Ole Miss talent level, even now, you are clueless about football. And Barry Odoms and Arkansas just think you're funny.

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