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Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:27 am to BamaDude06
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:27 am to BamaDude06
I liked Kirby’s defense but Pruitt’s defense was much more attacking and that’s the only thing that separates the two on defense
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Posted on 7/25/20 at 7:32 pm to BamaFan107
Kirby was too passive schematically against quality opponents. Still is.
Remember how many 3rd and long conversions we were giving up against functional QBs?
Pruitt would rather get beat throwing a punch.
Remember how many 3rd and long conversions we were giving up against functional QBs?
Pruitt would rather get beat throwing a punch.
Posted on 7/25/20 at 10:14 pm to Magnum73
Pendry, stoutland, Dunbar, Davis. Basically anybody worth a shite who could coach the OL and DL. Not a coincidence those have been the best years under Saban either.
Posted on 7/26/20 at 12:18 am to Vidic
It wasn't just coaching. It's no secret that those years saw multiple high 4 and 5 star guys starting on the lines.
Posted on 7/26/20 at 1:10 am to Vidic
Stoutland was the best Oline coach we’ve had. He was just hamstrung because of Miami. He’s a great coach though
This post was edited on 7/26/20 at 1:11 am
Posted on 7/26/20 at 8:09 am to Cobrasize
defense - brother oliver and pruitt. i cant get 3rd and kirby out of my head
offense - homer smith and kiffen. but i have to give some props to mcelwain also. with a big dose of "what if" for dabol
offense - homer smith and kiffen. but i have to give some props to mcelwain also. with a big dose of "what if" for dabol
Posted on 7/27/20 at 3:03 am to Magnum73
Defensively
1. Brother Oliver
2. Ken Donahue
Offensively
1. Homer Smith
Guys, it’s not even close. These 3 are the top echelon.
1. Brother Oliver
2. Ken Donahue
Offensively
1. Homer Smith
Guys, it’s not even close. These 3 are the top echelon.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 2:21 pm to Magnum73
1a Brother Oliver
1b Pruitt
Offense Homer
1b Pruitt
Offense Homer
Posted on 7/27/20 at 5:16 pm to BCBAMA
Ken Donahue.
Side note: He lived with his wife and sons in Northport, Al on Northwood lake while at Alabama. He'd let his wife run the A/C at their house for three months out of the year, but she could pick the months.
He had two boys who played baseball and when they were 8 or 9, he'd take them to the baseball field and give them infield practice. If they misplayed a ground ball, he'd make'em run lapses!..I swear!
He was probably the toughest SOB Coach Bryant ever had coaching for him...and that's saying a TON!
Side note: He lived with his wife and sons in Northport, Al on Northwood lake while at Alabama. He'd let his wife run the A/C at their house for three months out of the year, but she could pick the months.
He had two boys who played baseball and when they were 8 or 9, he'd take them to the baseball field and give them infield practice. If they misplayed a ground ball, he'd make'em run lapses!..I swear!
He was probably the toughest SOB Coach Bryant ever had coaching for him...and that's saying a TON!
Posted on 7/27/20 at 6:00 pm to Magnum73
Oliver probably all time.....Pruitt in the Saban era
Offense its Kiffin and it ain't even close
Offense its Kiffin and it ain't even close
Posted on 7/28/20 at 6:24 am to Cobrasize
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Stoutland was the best Oline coach we’ve had
I agree with this, but he could not evaluate talent and recruit like Pendry. After the talent that Pendry brought in was gone, Stoutland moved on.
We needed these 2 to have the other ones talent and it would have been amazing.
Posted on 7/28/20 at 7:02 am to Cobrasize
Loved some Homer Smith. Lane has to be next
Posted on 7/28/20 at 7:01 pm to coachcrisp
quote:
Ken Donahue.
Side note: He lived with his wife and sons in Northport, Al on Northwood lake while at Alabama. He'd let his wife run the A/C at their house for three months out of the year, but she could pick the months.
He had two boys who played baseball and when they were 8 or 9, he'd take them to the baseball field and give them infield practice. If they misplayed a ground ball, he'd make'em run lapses!..I swear!
He was probably the toughest SOB Coach Bryant ever had coaching for him...and that's saying a TON!
IMO, Donahue wins hands-down.
His defenses led the country in scoring defense three times. He won SEC and national assistant coach of the year awards, and is credited with making the defensive calls on he 3rd and 4th down goalline stops against Penn State in the Sugar Bowl.
"In 1964, Donahue joined Paul "Bear" Bryant's staff at Alabama. With Donahue serving as defensive coordinator at the Capstone, Alabama led the SEC in fewest yards allowed seven times, in rushing defense nine times and in pass defense three times. During his 21 years as defensive coordinator, Alabama won 11 SEC titles and three national championships."
His defensive units led the SEC in scoring defense 10 times (1964, 1965, 1966, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978 and 1979), including six times in the 1970s. Alabama also led the SEC in rushing defense nine times (1967, 1968, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979 and 1980), total defense seven times (1966, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1979 and 1980) and passing defense five times (1966, 1974, 1979, 1980 and 1984 ) under Donahue's leadership.
In 1975, Donahue was named the SEC "Working Coach of the Year" after the Crimson Tide led the nation in scoring defense (6.0 points per game) and ranked first in the SEC in rushing defense (94.3 yards per game) and total defense (186 yards per game). He also earned that award in 1985 as an assistant at Tennessee."
LINK
This post was edited on 7/28/20 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 8:52 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:"Ken demanded excellence and 100 percent effort from his players on every play, and those players respected him. Nobody could work players harder, or with more intensity, than Coach Donahue. He taught the players how to play the game like it should be played."-
quote:
Ken Donahue.
Side note: He lived with his wife and sons in Northport, Al on Northwood lake while at Alabama. He'd let his wife run the A/C at their house for three months out of the year, but she could pick the months.
He had two boys who played baseball and when they were 8 or 9, he'd take them to the baseball field and give them infield practice. If they misplayed a ground ball, he'd make'em run lapses!..I swear!
He was probably the toughest SOB Coach Bryant ever had coaching for him...and that's saying a TON!
IMO, Donahue wins hands-down.
His defenses led the country in scoring defense three times. He won SEC and national assistant coach of the year awards, and is credited with making the defensive calls on he 3rd and 4th down goalline stops against Penn State in the Sugar Bowl.
"In 1964, Donahue joined Paul "Bear" Bryant's staff at Alabama. With Donahue serving as defensive coordinator at the Capstone, Alabama led the SEC in fewest yards allowed seven times, in rushing defense nine times and in pass defense three times. During his 21 years as defensive coordinator, Alabama won 11 SEC titles and three national championships."
His defensive units led the SEC in scoring defense 10 times (1964, 1965, 1966, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1978 and 1979), including six times in the 1970s. Alabama also led the SEC in rushing defense nine times (1967, 1968, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979 and 1980), total defense seven times (1966, 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1979 and 1980) and passing defense five times (1966, 1974, 1979, 1980 and 1984 ) under Donahue's leadership.
In 1975, Donahue was named the SEC "Working Coach of the Year" after the Crimson Tide led the nation in scoring defense (6.0 points per game) and ranked first in the SEC in rushing defense (94.3 yards per game) and total defense (186 yards per game). He also earned that award in 1985 as an assistant at Tennessee."
Johnny Majors
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 8:54 am
Posted on 8/4/20 at 12:08 pm to Cobrasize
quote:
Brother Bill for defense
Guess I'm the only one around here who's still solidly in the "frick that guy" camp
Posted on 8/4/20 at 1:15 pm to Magnum73
Pruitt on defense.
I'm not sure on offense. I'm surprised so many people love Kiffin's backward passes. I hated his offense.
I'm not sure on offense. I'm surprised so many people love Kiffin's backward passes. I hated his offense.
Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:53 pm to CrimsonTideMD
Do you say that about Brother because he ended his career @Auburn? I actually wanted Bama to hire him over Dubose. We'll never know if it would've worked out.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:00 am to Teague
Design of the offense? McElwain. The QB was under center, we had drive blocking TEs, and our RBs actually hit the line of scrimmage with a head of steam. If I never see a passive, RB-on-his-heels running play out of the shotgun ever again it would be too soon.
Defense? Brother Oliver or Pruitt
Defense? Brother Oliver or Pruitt
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:06 am to SoFla Tideroller
I stayed with the Saban tree with my picks mostly because I hate comparing eras. Where there is a lack of knowledge there is often a lack of respect.
Bryant didn't go through assistant coaching staff the way our present does. Longevity and proficiency at what they did should always be the measuring stick for all-time greats for my money.
Oliver is always well thought of mainly because he's one of Bear's Boys and was really good at all of his assignments. Many years with Bryant as DB. When he left town during his second tenure with Stallings he was probably as much a victim of crappy politics as Stalling's was.
Which brings me to Bryant's most trusted assistant, and historically, my pick as all-time best, Ken Donahue.
Coach Bryant’s defensive assistant was by his side for nearly two decades and coached some of the top defensive units in SEC. Donahue is credited with developing the multiple defensive schemes that allowed the Crimson Tide to switch smoothly from a 4-3 alignment to a 5-2. He coached on teams that won five national championships and 11 SEC titles.
He wasn't the guy to meet in a dark ally when it came to a fight. And his defensive teams reflected every aspect of Donahue's take-no-prisoners attitude for almost 20 years.
Bryant didn't go through assistant coaching staff the way our present does. Longevity and proficiency at what they did should always be the measuring stick for all-time greats for my money.
Oliver is always well thought of mainly because he's one of Bear's Boys and was really good at all of his assignments. Many years with Bryant as DB. When he left town during his second tenure with Stallings he was probably as much a victim of crappy politics as Stalling's was.
Which brings me to Bryant's most trusted assistant, and historically, my pick as all-time best, Ken Donahue.
Coach Bryant’s defensive assistant was by his side for nearly two decades and coached some of the top defensive units in SEC. Donahue is credited with developing the multiple defensive schemes that allowed the Crimson Tide to switch smoothly from a 4-3 alignment to a 5-2. He coached on teams that won five national championships and 11 SEC titles.
He wasn't the guy to meet in a dark ally when it came to a fight. And his defensive teams reflected every aspect of Donahue's take-no-prisoners attitude for almost 20 years.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:28 pm to bamameister
Can't argue with Coach Donahue. His longevity and sustained excellence speak for themselves. The biggest reason I didn't name him was the offenses of that era weren't as multiple or complex as today's are.
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