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re: LSU folks - what is the deal with basketball crowds?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 11:56 am to CoachDon
Posted on 2/17/20 at 11:56 am to CoachDon
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Hard to believe PMAC is only 13000 seats. My high school gym was nicer and bigger.
Your high school gym sat more than 13,000? Which high school was that?
Per Wikipedia the largest on campus high school gym is Seymour, Indiana and it seats 8,228 which is barely 2/3 of 13K.
So.....
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:08 pm to SummerOfGeorge
1. I have season tickets to LSU MBB and baseball.
2. We have plenty of fans who attend MBB games. Our students attend in small numbers and have for a long time. And, our students this season act like they are at a wake until the second half of a close game. This has ZERO to do with where the student section is in the PMAC.
3. There are more people who follow LSU MBB than baseball. This has been true always. Our baseball fans are more devoted though.
2. We have plenty of fans who attend MBB games. Our students attend in small numbers and have for a long time. And, our students this season act like they are at a wake until the second half of a close game. This has ZERO to do with where the student section is in the PMAC.
3. There are more people who follow LSU MBB than baseball. This has been true always. Our baseball fans are more devoted though.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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LSU basketball crowds were canabalized by LSU baseball decades ago, which is now the de facto #2 sport at LSU. In the 80’s the PMAC was the place to be but now that disposal income goes to Alex Box. It will take many years of competitive basketball to get the culture back.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:15 pm to jimbeam
Trent Johnson and Johnny Jones type hires don't bring in large crowds. Thank you Alleva for that. Wade has the program heading in the right direction. Fans will get on board.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The crowds would have been there if we didn't stink up the place with four inexcusable losses at the beginning of the season. Had we played any defense against Vandy and got a good bounce to win that game against Auburn, the crowd would have sensed a winner and came out. But just when they were getting ready, our team shite the bed and all the fans sat back down. Just my two cents. 
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:28 pm to theliontamer
Basketball fights a lot of issues.
LSU fans do not care about hoops until football is over.
Plus you have Mardi Gras that takes away from the basketball crowds as well.
On top of that, 10000+ were at baseball games on Fri night and Sat afternoon.
I think Wade can get them back but LSU needs a couple of deep tourney runs to get them back on board.
They do need a new arena or significant upgrades to the PMAC which is on the drawing board and should be easy to fund once the new football tv deal kicks in.
LSU fans do not care about hoops until football is over.
Plus you have Mardi Gras that takes away from the basketball crowds as well.
On top of that, 10000+ were at baseball games on Fri night and Sat afternoon.
I think Wade can get them back but LSU needs a couple of deep tourney runs to get them back on board.
They do need a new arena or significant upgrades to the PMAC which is on the drawing board and should be easy to fund once the new football tv deal kicks in.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Now that we're a football school again ... 
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:39 pm to UKWildcats
FBI investigating the crowds?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:42 pm to thunderbird1100
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about still being hungover from football and not giving a crap about any other sport
Welcome to life as a Bama fan
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:50 pm to Ted2010
Gymnastics crowds in the pmac have been great
The crowds haven’t been bad at home but as others have alluded to, the setup kills the students effect. Watch Tuesday night and see how loud it is, then picture that noise if the students were reasonably located.
The football effect is mythical IMO, the team tends to struggle shooting at home and had an absolute clunker against ETSU before Christmas which scared away the casual fan.
The crowds are fine. The aesthetics of the building and the poor layout (thanks Alleva) are what holds it back. It can still be a great environment. Hell I’ve been to the games against top ranked Arizona, Kentucky and Oklahoma yet the NIT game against ULL a couple years ago was as loud as I’ve ever heard it in there.
The crowds haven’t been bad at home but as others have alluded to, the setup kills the students effect. Watch Tuesday night and see how loud it is, then picture that noise if the students were reasonably located.
The football effect is mythical IMO, the team tends to struggle shooting at home and had an absolute clunker against ETSU before Christmas which scared away the casual fan.
The crowds are fine. The aesthetics of the building and the poor layout (thanks Alleva) are what holds it back. It can still be a great environment. Hell I’ve been to the games against top ranked Arizona, Kentucky and Oklahoma yet the NIT game against ULL a couple years ago was as loud as I’ve ever heard it in there.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
- most families spent their entertainment budget on football
- most families want a break from sports and have a football hangover
- This year’s team is about as exciting as watching wet paper dry. Not many lobs, dunks, or 3’s as year’s past. Just a lot of rebounds and layups.
- no star players that are “can’t miss”
- most families want a break from sports and have a football hangover
- This year’s team is about as exciting as watching wet paper dry. Not many lobs, dunks, or 3’s as year’s past. Just a lot of rebounds and layups.
- no star players that are “can’t miss”
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
At the Ole Miss game I was told to sit down while stretching my feet.
At halftime.
At halftime.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I’ve always had the theory that LSU fans simply aren’t loud when there isn’t a culture of tailgating and drinking. When we’re sober it’s apparently not cool to get loud. Gymnastics is an outlier but that’s mostly young families with little kids going nuts.
We’re still loud af for football and baseball, so the pear knows what we can be. Consistent winning would be a huge plus which is currently happening.
We’re still loud af for football and baseball, so the pear knows what we can be. Consistent winning would be a huge plus which is currently happening.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
They moved the students to a small section behind a basket so they have virtually no impact on the game atmosphere. Add to that the number of senior citizens who occupy the prime seats - they just don't get up and make noise.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:21 pm to nitwit
quote:Based on this incredibly lame retort, you chose your username wisely.
FBI investigating the crowds?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:38 pm to The Pirate King
Gymnastics at LSU is #1
Very cheap to attend
#2 Primarily little girls with their parents
Totally different deal than basketball.
If the team is good enough, the fans will come.
Women's basketball used to draw huge crowds in the Augustus/Fowles era. They are lucky to get a few hundred in the place now.
Very cheap to attend
#2 Primarily little girls with their parents
Totally different deal than basketball.
If the team is good enough, the fans will come.
Women's basketball used to draw huge crowds in the Augustus/Fowles era. They are lucky to get a few hundred in the place now.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Back in the Dale Brown era (80s/90s), when LSU's football program was at its nadir, when baseball program was still in its infancy, and when LSU was making Final Fours with players like Chris Jackson and Shaquille O'Neal, the PMAC was an awesome atmosphere.
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LSU needs to build a new arena or do something else to revitalize the student section.
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LSU needs to build a new arena or do something else to revitalize the student section.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:51 pm to Lou Pai
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when LSU was making Final Fours with players like Chris Jackson and Shaquille O'Neal, the PMAC was an awesome atmosphere.
Yea I vividly remember "The Deaf Dome" as a little kid, which is why I was curious if people just stopped caring altogether or what? The answers in this thread make sense.
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The DRACONIAN SANCTIONS at the end of Brown’s tenure led to a couple rough years (keep on mind brown’s last couple seasons were also very rough) John Brady’s teams were inconsistent in terms of sustained success, Trent Johnson’s approach to rebuilding the program was a colossal failure, and then there was Johnny Jones and I don’t really need to go into much detail there. We’re poised to make the tournament in back to back seasons for the first time since 04-05/05-06. Move the students and profit.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Lack of sustained success and too many really bad teams. Had great crowds during the late '70s, '80s and early '90s as the program took off. Played exciting basketball, had Final Four teams in '81 and '86, had Shaq in the early '90s. Brown got old, stopped recruiting, then got popped in the Lester Earl deal.
John Brady's tenure was up and down, his style of offensive play was really boring. He inherited probation, never let anyone forget he inherited probation and essentially pissed off most of the fan base even when he won. He caught lightning in a bottle in 2006 when LSU went to the Final Four with an exciting team that still almost lost in the second round. Needed a 3-pointer at the buzzer to beat A&M and I was stunned they ended up beating good Duke and Texas teams after that. But he had a 5-11 SEC record the next year (and lost in the NIT first round), and got fired in the middle of the next season. It's ironic now because he's the color commentator on LSU radio, he's really good at it, and he's supposedly loosened up a lot and is much more likable than he ever was as coach. Trent Johnson hated recruiting and Johnny Jones couldn't coach.
Add all of that up, and that's almost 25 years of neglect. We're either usually winning the league or close to it (even Trent Johnson won an SEC title his first season) or winning two or three games in the league and finishing in the bottom two or three. Not a lot of in between. For a program that went to 10 consecutive NCAA tournaments from 1984-1993, I don't think we've been to 10 NCAA tournaments in the 26 years since.
Plus, the PMAC is too big at this point and if there aren't more than 10K in there, it's a dead atmosphere. The young people/college kids don't remember LSU as a relevant basketball program so the interest hasn't been there.
John Brady's tenure was up and down, his style of offensive play was really boring. He inherited probation, never let anyone forget he inherited probation and essentially pissed off most of the fan base even when he won. He caught lightning in a bottle in 2006 when LSU went to the Final Four with an exciting team that still almost lost in the second round. Needed a 3-pointer at the buzzer to beat A&M and I was stunned they ended up beating good Duke and Texas teams after that. But he had a 5-11 SEC record the next year (and lost in the NIT first round), and got fired in the middle of the next season. It's ironic now because he's the color commentator on LSU radio, he's really good at it, and he's supposedly loosened up a lot and is much more likable than he ever was as coach. Trent Johnson hated recruiting and Johnny Jones couldn't coach.
Add all of that up, and that's almost 25 years of neglect. We're either usually winning the league or close to it (even Trent Johnson won an SEC title his first season) or winning two or three games in the league and finishing in the bottom two or three. Not a lot of in between. For a program that went to 10 consecutive NCAA tournaments from 1984-1993, I don't think we've been to 10 NCAA tournaments in the 26 years since.
Plus, the PMAC is too big at this point and if there aren't more than 10K in there, it's a dead atmosphere. The young people/college kids don't remember LSU as a relevant basketball program so the interest hasn't been there.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 2:46 pm
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