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Mel Tucker to Michigan State as HC

Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:17 pm
Move to Colorado, go 5-7 and move to MSU? Damn! Good for him

$5+ million a year....
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 1:44 pm to
Good Lord!!!

@ Bielema thinking they’d hire him.
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
6204 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:23 pm to
I like Tucker but what a weird hire. Unproven, no ties to the recruiting world out there.

They will have a solid defense, but that's about all I can promise.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:26 pm to
MSU wasn’t necessarily in the catbird seat when Dantonio decided to retire 1 day before NSD
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
16331 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:47 pm to
Some say a minority coach may mitigate sanctions. I personally do not know.

I wish him the best.
Posted by LSUHobNailBoot
Watkinsville - Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
1163 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 2:55 pm to
Interesting. Well he did start his career there under Saban.

My neighbor was on the UGA coaching staff and moved to Boulder following Tucker. Nice guy (didnt see him much) and just uprooted his whole family and moved them to Boulder.
Assuming the new coach will send anyone tied to Mel packing and sure Mel will take him with him.

Poor kids are middle school age and in two years have been moved across the country twice. Got to be hard having a new school each year.
Life of a coach I guess.
Posted by Brick67
Member since Oct 2012
1492 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 3:41 pm to
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Got to be hard having a new school each year.


Military brats can relate...
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
16331 posts
Posted on 2/12/20 at 3:51 pm to
Football coaches at this level make so much $$$$ it's hard to feel sorry for them.

I think I would just have the wife and kids stay near her family and I would go out and coach where ever. Maybe live in an RV .

That way you don't have to worry with how job security effects your kids.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5712 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 9:45 am to
He did a good job at Colorado, and he brought on some great transfers to a program that was awful.

He's a good coach, and He'll do well at MSU. Good fit, too, because those guys like stout defences.
Posted by Arch Madness
Charleston
Member since Jan 2018
1059 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 2:29 pm to
No one mentioning the fact he literally posted to twitter and called into local radio stations to say he was staying in Boulder. On top of that he made a blindsided comment earlier that there is no transfer portal in real life. A real hypocrite.

And what has he done to deserve $5 million? Go 5-7 while having a senior QB record holder for the Buffs. Move was trash

Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 2:48 pm to
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No one mentioning the fact he literally posted to twitter and called into local radio stations to say he was staying in Boulder. On top of that he made a blindsided comment earlier that there is no transfer portal in real life. A real hypocrite.


The number of people who would pass on a ~$3M raise to go coach at a school that is also more willing and able to support the work that you're doing is incredibly small. I don't doubt that Tucker meant what he said when he said he intended to stay... The transfer portal comment was misguided in the first place... Literally, anyone can pack up and leave any job for a better opportunity... it's the way the world works.

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And what has he done to deserve $5 million?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... According to several accounts, MSU needed to make a minority hire in order to better shield themselves from the wrongful termination lawsuit going on... That doesn't mean it's the only reason, but it might be *a* reason for the substantial pay bump offered.
Posted by Arch Madness
Charleston
Member since Jan 2018
1059 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 2:56 pm to
Yeah, but to actively deny it at a booster event while he was in the works to leave. Not to mention all the signees he screwed over who are now stuck at Colorado because they bought into his recruiting.

From what I hear, he didn't even give Colorado a chance to match the offer

Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26046 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 3:12 pm to
He didnt give colorado a chance to double his salary?

I promise you... Colorado could have thrown more money at him at any moment before he took the job.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 3:28 pm to
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Yeah, but to actively deny it at a booster event while he was in the works to leave. Not to mention all the signees he screwed over who are now stuck at Colorado because they bought into his recruiting.


Until ink is dry, what is he supposed to do... do a bad job for the university, piss off boosters and not recruit the best talent they can get?

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From what I hear, he didn't even give Colorado a chance to match the offer


From what I've seen written by reputable reporters, this is inaccurate. They simply weren't willing to meet the increased sum. This may have been a value based decision or possibly they simply can't actually afford to overspend like crazy on a coach due to the poor revenues from the PAC12.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 3:35 pm to
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And Tucker’s departure is a glaring, if somewhat unexpected, example of our reasoning.

The Spartans are doubling Tucker’s salary, according to The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman, who broke the story, and they’re providing him with a vastly larger salary pool for assistant coaches.

Tucker earned $2.4 at Colorado last year, according to the USA Today salary database.

He will double that at MSU, per Feldman.

The salary pool for Tucker’s assistants was $3.16 in Boulder (USAT).

It is expected to double in East Lansing (Feldman).

And it’s not like the Buffaloes were holding out on him.

According to Colorado’s NCAA financial report for FY19, the athletic department experienced a $3.4 million shortfall in the 2019 fiscal year, with $95 million in revenue against $98.4 million in expenses.

They were paying what they could pay given the budget.

Michigan State’s revenue in FY18: $145.6 million (USAT).

This is a perfect example … a painfully perfect example … of the impact of the disparity in resources:

Michigan State will receive about $55 million from the Big Ten in FY20 from the conference’s media rights deals.

Colorado will collect about $33 million from the Pac-12.

And that $22 million difference is just for one year.

The disparity will continue year upon year.

Over the next five years, each Big Ten school will collect approximately $139 million more from conference distributions than each Pac-12 member.


LINK

It's actually a pretty good read once you get past the butthurt about losing the coach...
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
16331 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 3:45 pm to
He would be Considered too dumb to coach if he turned down an extra $2-3m a year....

He did what was best for his family and.made the proper business decision. Sorry a cowboy has been got so butt hurt over it.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 5:44 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26046 posts
Posted on 2/13/20 at 3:59 pm to
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And what has he done to deserve $5 million?
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... According to several accounts, MSU needed to make a minority hire in order to better shield themselves from the wrongful termination lawsuit going on... That doesn't mean it's the only reason, but it might be *a* reason for the substantial pay bump offered. ?



The job is worth $5M.
Regardless of Tuckers credentials. Michigan State is going to be investigated. The program is going to be in turmoil. Mel Tucker has a mountain of a job ahead of him that the odds will be against him. He passed on a stable job to take on the burden. Mich St offered that money because that is what it would take to lure a candidate in February for that mess.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/15/20 at 11:03 am to
This was a good follow up to those financial woes:

Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5712 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:09 pm to
Can't blame the guy for taking a nearly $3 million raise. I'd be a bit salty if I were one of his players, but it's 3 million dollars. He has to say yes.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 5:11 pm
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:20 pm to
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Can't blame the guy for taking a nearly $3 million raise. I'd be a bit salty if I were one of his players, but it's 3 million dollars. He has to say yes.


There's a *lot* of misinformation on this one... I'm not sure anyone knows whether this was handled poorly on Mel's part or whether CU boosters/leadership are just butthurt. I agree, at the end of the day, you can't turn down ~3M pay raise.

If you want the CU side of things, this is how they portray things:
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