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If Ga Tech and Tulane never left the SEC ...

Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:24 am
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:24 am
Terrible decision by both schools but, if they never left, what would the conference look like now?
Would Kramer have expanded in 90?
Would Slive have expanded in ‘12?

It’s possible expansion would have been delayed by years with far different additions.

If Tech had stayed they wouldn’t have fallen so far behind UGa and Tulane...well, they would have been Tulane.
Posted by GAT BoilerPickle Doc
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:27 am to
We wouldn't be stuck with the Yankee SJWs
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:27 am to
Georgia Tech wouldn’t have that national title in 1990.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:30 am to
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Georgia Tech wouldn’t have that national title in 1990.


AP poll still doesnt think they have the national title in 1990.
Being unable to beat a 6 win UNC can have that effect on voters.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:32 am to
You would have to assume both would have funded the sport, which would probably be a no. They would be more like Vandy.
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:47 am to
Only thing I would say is "unsure if TA&M or Mizz. would be members. As far as SC & Ark., I think they would be #'s 13 & 14".
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 7:56 am to
quote:

AP poll still doesnt think they have the national title in 1990. Being unable to beat a 6 win UNC can have that effect on voters.


Georgia Tech was the only undefeated team and beat Nebraska in their bowl to end the season by a score of 45-21. The UNC game was a tie.

The AP champion, Colorado, was 11-1-1 after a tie with Tennessee, a loss to Illinois, and a win on the famous 5th down against Missouri. Their bowl game victory was a controversial one point margin after a late call nullified a Notre Dame winning touchdown.

Due to bowl affiliations, Georgia Tech and Colorado were not matched against each other. The Big 8 champ was obligated to play in the Orange Bowl and the ACC champ in the Citrus Bowl.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12901 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 8:02 am to
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unsure if TA&M or Mizz. would be members. As far as SC & Ark., I think they would be #'s 13 & 14".


Not necessarily. The 90s expansion was to get to 12 teams to split into divisions and play a Championship game. It wouldn’t have been necessary. The later expansion was when other conferences were excellent and realigning. The SEC could be as selective as they wanted. It almost assuredly eliminated Mizzou. It wouldn’t have been limited to the other three. My guess would be aTm and USCe because the Hogs would probably have gone B12.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 8:49 am to
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Georgia Tech wouldn’t have that national title in 1990.



I wonder what GT football would look like. Being able to recruit players to Atlanta to play in the SEC seems like it would pull a ton of talent away from UGA. The reason GT left was because Bobby Dodd thought there wasn't an even playing field with Bama in recruiting. Had they hung on until the NCAA started monitoring recruiting more closely, they may have had a completely different trajectory.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:04 am to
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Georgia Tech was the only undefeated team and beat Nebraska in their bowl to end the season by a score of 45-21. The UNC game was a tie.

The AP champion, Colorado, was 11-1-1 after a tie with Tennessee, a loss to Illinois, and a win on the famous 5th down against Missouri. Their bowl game victory was a controversial one point margin after a late call nullified a Notre Dame winning touchdown.


I'm not saying you're wrong, but Colorado also beat a top 5 ND while GT beat a #19 ranked Nebraska. That changes the optics in my opinion.
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:04 am to
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If Ga Tech and Tulane never left the SEC ...

Things happen for a reason.

The sheep humping sister bangers are constantly kicking themselves in the arse for not leaving the A She She with us when they had the chance ... well, atleast until recently when they realized that playing their pussy assed schedule is advantageous to them in today's modern playoff system.

They're still poor though and once this new ABC deal is signed they'll really be behind the curve in terms of their overall athletic department.

Anyways, enough about the taterheads. If SC had not told the ACC to pound sand ... it causes me to shutter to even think about it.

Now the SEC has another Deep South Flagship Institution and that's the way it should be. Ga Tech and Tulane added nothing to the TV market and even less to fan support.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41455 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:25 am to
Bobby Dodd is a hero of mine for destroying tech on his way out.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
29803 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:27 am to
quote:

You would have to assume both would have funded the sport, which would probably be a no. They would be more like Vandy.



just my opinion........Tulane would have an outstanding football program if they had stayed. Teen kids would love to live in New Orleans on Tulane's dime.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28235 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:37 am to
quote:

You would have to assume both would have funded the sport, which would probably be a no.


That's a lot of TV money pouting into both
schools and even Vandy is spending a good bit on their facilities.
Posted by PeeJayScammedGT
Kennesaw, GA
Member since Oct 2019
2148 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:42 am to
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Georgia Tech was the only undefeated team and beat Nebraska in their bowl to end the season by a score of 45-21. The UNC game was a tie.

The AP champion, Colorado, was 11-1-1 after a tie with Tennessee, a loss to Illinois, and a win on the famous 5th down against Missouri. Their bowl game victory was a controversial one point margin after a late call nullified a Notre Dame winning touchdown.

Due to bowl affiliations, Georgia Tech and Colorado were not matched against each other. The Big 8 champ was obligated to play in the Orange Bowl and the ACC champ in the Citrus Bowl

Damn your memory is horrible

GT was supposed to play Colorado, but the azzhole Orange Bowl Committee jumped the gun and guaranteed Noter Dumb that slot around Halloween, that chicken shyt move helped speed CFB towards the BCS because the individual Bowl Committees wouldn't fvcking act in the best interest of CFB and put together the proper matchups

Each Bowl Committee only gave a shyt about their Bowl's potential TV ratings

The Big8 Champ was obligated to play in the OB, but as ACC Champ GT could have gone anywhere except the Rose Bowl

We should have faced Colorado because we did earn that OB slot

Sometimes I wonder do my fellow GT Fans even follow CFB?

At that time only the Rose Bowl was locked up (Big10 v Pac10), every other Jan1 Bowl was only locked into 1 Conf Champ with the opponent being whoever created the best possible matchup
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12901 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:48 am to
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Things happen for a reason.



In this case the reason was stupidity and short sighted leaders. Regardless, it changed the fortunes of at least three schools: UGa and at least two of the expansion programs.

Nebraska was foolish to leave the B12. They'll never be crap in the B1G.

Of the original 64 or so teams in the CFA, there are still less than 15 legitimate "power" teams. There's another 15 that may have the occasional great year but the rest are fodder to feed the big boys.
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
4108 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:46 am to
It was short lived, but the ACC was designated to appear in the Citrus Bowl, including 1990. There may have been discussions about the Orange Bowl, but I believe the ACC had a contractual obligation. 1990 was a strange year for football with basically no one surviving after moving to the #1 spot.

“From the 1987 season through the 1991 season, the bowl featured the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) champion against an at-large opponent. ACC teams were 3–2 during those games.”
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25887 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 11:53 am to
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If Ga Tech and Tulane never left the SEC ...


Both still have more SEC championships than Kentucky and Mississippi State, with GA Tech only having one fewer than Ole Miss, despite both being out of the conference for over 50 years.

Ain't that some shite?



Edit to add: Would Tulane still have a winning record against Auburn?
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:08 pm to
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Not necessarily. The 90s expansion was to get to 12 teams to split into divisions and play a Championship game. It wouldn’t have been necessary. The later expansion was when other conferences were excellent and realigning. The SEC could be as selective as they wanted. It almost assuredly eliminated Mizzou. It wouldn’t have been limited to the other three. My guess would be aTm and USCe because the Hogs would probably have gone B12.


This is probably close to the truth.

With 12 teams, the SEC could have started a championship game in the 1980s. Who knows what a "Big 12" might have looked like in that scenario, if the SEC Championship game became lucrative. It could have just been an oddity or something that was abandoned after a few seasons, if UGA and LSU were sharing power and recruits in their home states with other SEC programs.

Arkansas leaving the SWC was what led to the creation of the Big 12. Texas was not interested in being pro-active. The SWC had to be blown up for them to consider change.

Also, the original SEC expansion was not necessarily planned to just "stop at 12 teams". When it was first being planned, they were talking about up to 14 teams back then.

This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted by southernboisb
Member since Dec 2012
9805 posts
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:12 pm to
Maybe.
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