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It is not rational how bad starkel has been
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:33 pm
There’s no reason to get worse the more you play college football. This kid lit up legit defense as a redshirt freshman in this league. These coaches have made him worse somehow. It sucks because he could be a legit arse qb if we had a somewhat decent qb coach. I hope we get one by next year
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:36 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
More film and his tendencies are flamingly glaring when you see it.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:40 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I'm as perplexed at how much he's regressed this year too. He was pretty solid under a guy in Sumlin who isn't known as a very good QB coach either. Maybe it's a combination of a worse supporting cast than he had at A&M and DCs getting more film on him.
I really thought he would be our starter from day one next year but now I don't even think he's here in 2020.
I really thought he would be our starter from day one next year but now I don't even think he's here in 2020.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:41 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I think the regression is overstated. He has had good games against Colorado State, New Mexico, and Wake Forest. Outside of that he's been mediocre to bad his whole career.
My point isn't to defend Morris because he hand-picked him and definitely hasn't done a good job with him. All im saying is Starkel has never been a consistently good QB
My point isn't to defend Morris because he hand-picked him and definitely hasn't done a good job with him. All im saying is Starkel has never been a consistently good QB
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:46 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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This kid lit up legit defense as a redshirt freshman in this league.
No, he had one win against Ole Miss. That's it. None of the losses were close.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:48 pm to The Sultan of Swine
After going back and looking at his year at A&M I guess I thought he did better than he did. He only had 6 TDs to 5 INTs in SEC play and put up huge stats against New Mexico and Wake Forest (which he deserves credit for, 500 yards on a P5 team is notable).
Threw 3 INTs in one game against LSU. Went 11/22 against Auburn. Had 2 TDs in both of those games as well but it seems he's always been pretty inaccurate.
Threw 3 INTs in one game against LSU. Went 11/22 against Auburn. Had 2 TDs in both of those games as well but it seems he's always been pretty inaccurate.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 12:59 pm to Stonehog
He wasn't lighting up SEC defenses his freshman year although he did light up Wake Forrest. I think his overall point is there has been some unforeseen regression, which shouldn't happen with good coaching. He had a better completion percentage and TD/INT ratio back then.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 1:14 pm to rockiee
Exactly. I’m not saying he was great but he had somewhat respectable games as a freshman even if he was turnover prone in a couple against really good competition. You would think he would build on that and only get better not throw 5 interceptions to San Jose state
Posted on 10/29/19 at 1:42 pm to rockiee
It actually is kind of rational if you think about it. He wasn't lights about for A&M and then lost his job to a freshman. He then quit them to transfer to Arkansas.
The A&M fans warned us that we got an interception King and we ignore them. So I don't think you can put this on our coach, I think there is just something fundamentally not right with him. Which is fine, he honestly should have transfered to a lower league school and I bet he would be successful there... but it's very clear that he cannot handle the pressure of commanding a team in the SEC.
The A&M fans warned us that we got an interception King and we ignore them. So I don't think you can put this on our coach, I think there is just something fundamentally not right with him. Which is fine, he honestly should have transfered to a lower league school and I bet he would be successful there... but it's very clear that he cannot handle the pressure of commanding a team in the SEC.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:02 pm to Hellmet
We’ve had 5 different guys start at qb for us since Morris has been here. A couple of them were 4 star guys and all of them had other power 5 offers. We’ve replaced most of the WRs and o-line. It’s not the players
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:07 pm to Hellmet
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It actually is kind of rational if you think about it. He wasn't lights about for A&M
But was better than this so it really doesn't make any sense unless you think players can naturally get worse with good coaching. Was he overhyped by us? Yes but he shouldn't be this bad.
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The A&M fans warned us that we got an interception King and we ignore them.
Eh, it was the same stuff that we see alot of the time when someone leaves. Most were projecting him as the starter going into the 2018 season over Mond. You didn't see much negative stuff regarding him until he left.
The whole Interception king didn't make any sense back then, he threw 6 Ints in 227 passes during his Texas A&M tenure. That is almost 38 passes between Ints. That isn't close to worthy of that nickname.
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:10 pm to Poker_hog
I still think part of the blame is on the OL. I mean our best lineman is arguably a true freshman. Having Gatlin back and Jones eligible will hopefully help a lot next year.
Even Alabama has a ton of 4* and 5* busts but you don't notice them as much because they get buried on the depth chart behind other 4* and 5* players while ours keep playing because we don't have that kind of depth. They had Blake Barnett and David Cornwell at QB who were both blue chip guys that transferred never to be heard from again because they signed Jalen Hurts and Tua not long after. Meanwhile we're starting guys like that because we don't have many other options besides maybe Jefferson who is redshirting.
Even Alabama has a ton of 4* and 5* busts but you don't notice them as much because they get buried on the depth chart behind other 4* and 5* players while ours keep playing because we don't have that kind of depth. They had Blake Barnett and David Cornwell at QB who were both blue chip guys that transferred never to be heard from again because they signed Jalen Hurts and Tua not long after. Meanwhile we're starting guys like that because we don't have many other options besides maybe Jefferson who is redshirting.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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It sucks because he could be a legit arse qb
He's legit arse, alright
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:18 pm to Feral
He's arse, my dude.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 4:22 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
What’s not rational is expecting anything close to productivity from your QB, when most of the time the defense is mauling him, with him taking snaps in the shotgun, looking for quick out, or crossing routes.
Do yourself a favor, and give it the old 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi etc when our QB takes a snap, and note how many times you get to 3 Mississippi without our QB being touched, flushed out of the pocket, or sacked.
I’m not making excuses for Starkel, because he hasn’t been good, but you can’t overrate the difficulty of trying to do your job back there, while fully expecting annihilation at any second.
If we had a coach, by this time in the season we would be so damn proficient at WR picks, quick slants, and screens that the D lines would back off a step or so. Hell, we can’t even teach our quarterbacks to actually throw the ball over the linemen.
Do yourself a favor, and give it the old 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi etc when our QB takes a snap, and note how many times you get to 3 Mississippi without our QB being touched, flushed out of the pocket, or sacked.
I’m not making excuses for Starkel, because he hasn’t been good, but you can’t overrate the difficulty of trying to do your job back there, while fully expecting annihilation at any second.
If we had a coach, by this time in the season we would be so damn proficient at WR picks, quick slants, and screens that the D lines would back off a step or so. Hell, we can’t even teach our quarterbacks to actually throw the ball over the linemen.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:16 pm to troyt37
Let's be honest here.. with him it's not really the line or the receivers. Sure, there are plays where he gets sacked or crap just happens.. but then there are the plays where he just throws the ball without seemingly looking at where he is throwing it.
Basically with him he freaks when the play doesn't go perfectly and just throws it. Some of his interceptions have been really, really bad.. you can't have that in this league.
Basically with him he freaks when the play doesn't go perfectly and just throws it. Some of his interceptions have been really, really bad.. you can't have that in this league.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 8:36 am to Hellmet
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Let's be honest here.. with him it's not really the line or the receivers.
The receivers and Rakeem Boyd are the only bright spots on an otherwise dismal team. Not saying anything about the recievers, other than they downfield block about like you'd expect freshmen receivers to downfield block, not having a coach to help them.
I'm just saying, when a quarterback, any quarterback, gets some semblance of protection from his O-line, the improvement in quarterback productivity is immense. The reverse is also true. Couple that with a coach who doesn't have the discernment to pick the best quarterback and find a way to make the offense work with him, and you can only destroy the confidence in both quarterbacks, which is where we are now.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:12 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
It's all in his head. Very good arm talent. Bad decisions, tendency to panic.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 11:29 am to WonderWartHawg
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It's all in his head. Very good arm talent. Bad decisions, tendency to panic.
He needs, desperately, a QB whisperer. Dan Enos has his flaws but he was very good about settling down QBs with a bad case of the yips.
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