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re: Saban's comments on the defense post-South Carolina
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:59 am to 3down10
Posted on 9/15/19 at 10:59 am to 3down10
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This is very concerning to me based on how badly the Clemson game was called.
I'm not a Golding fan at this point.
Straight from Saban himself:
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“There was a lot of adjusting to do. The young players had a lot of problems adjusting to the quads and to the empty formation in the boundary, which we had worked on, but it was a lot for the linebackers. So, we had to stay pretty simple in terms of what we were doing, afraid that we would not do things correctly. So, when the field shrunk, we were able to get them stopped, and I think the players showed a lot of resiliency in doing that.”
When this is going on, you can't blitz.
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Posted on 9/15/19 at 11:03 am to DLev45
Kind of disappointed Allen hasn’t stepped up in his 3rd year. I know he has had some injuries but thought he would be a major contributor this year. Really like that kid. Hope he finds a niche
Posted on 9/15/19 at 11:15 am to Bear88
I think allen looked comfortable cutting loose for the first time since the injuries.
Like Ive said I think 89 was playing a little to heavy, and maybe like 99 added a little to much bulk.
But with him out I think you will see 24 play more downs and get relived by allen and 92.
But give Allen a little more games under his belt and I think you will see what we thought we had.
Like Ive said I think 89 was playing a little to heavy, and maybe like 99 added a little to much bulk.
But with him out I think you will see 24 play more downs and get relived by allen and 92.
But give Allen a little more games under his belt and I think you will see what we thought we had.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 11:20 am to AjA77
Agreed. Allen will be better with more game action. Same with a lot of the other guys. I'll reserve judgement for now. If they continue to get torched, then it will be panic time.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 1:55 pm to Bear88
He was lost, that will slow you down when you are trying to figure out where to go without confidence. He will get it. It’s his 3rd game ever.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:13 pm to CrimsonBoz
Hope so.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:17 pm to DLev45
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When this is going on, you can't blitz.
Why not?
I get what you are saying, but at the same time what is the big difference between a blown play without a blitz and a blown play with the blitz? And at what point are they going to learn these blitzing plays? Are they not going to frick it up then?
What about the development of the rest of the team? They don't need to practice different blitzes in game situations because a LB might go the wrong direction?
And to be honest, I've never heard that you can't blitz with newer LBs. I kind of think well it's rare for us to see so much inexperience at the position. Then I look at last years NCG with Golding calling it, and I see a pattern that doesn't seem to have much to do with inexperience at LB.
It's not so much the LB's I'm worried about. I think they will get experience as the year goes on and improve. What I am worried about is a DC who knows how to put the right people in the right situation to create winning situations.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 2:19 pm to Bear88
Any highly rated kid who doesn’t play I automatically think portal these days sadly 
Loved his recruitment though
Loved his recruitment though 
Posted on 9/15/19 at 5:09 pm to 3down10
Golding was a heavy blitzer at his previous stop. Saban probably put a quash on blitzing. As he said, "that's how you get 75 yard plays against you."
Posted on 9/15/19 at 5:49 pm to tattoo
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Golding was a heavy blitzer at his previous stop. Saban probably put a quash on blitzing. As he said, "that's how you get 75 yard plays against you."
He also said we don't have enough players to let them run 85+ plays on us every game.
Hope you are right for obvious reasons.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 6:16 pm to tattoo
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Golding was a heavy blitzer at his previous stop. Saban probably put a quash on blitzing. As he said, "that's how you get 75 yard plays against you."
It's also arguable that you can get 75 yard plays against you by not blitzing. If the QB has plenty of time without feeling pressured there's more time for longer routes to develop and for WRs to get open. You have to affect the QB and that's a lot harder to do against 6 blockers with a 3 to 4-man consistently vanilla rushing scheme. I get the reasoning for keeping things simple for the fresmmen ILBs for this game. But it still seems like we could've called stunts and blitzes in a few selected situations.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 9:39 am
Posted on 9/15/19 at 6:19 pm to 3down10
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This is very concerning to me based on how badly the Clemson game was called.
I'm not a Golding fan at this point.
CNS listens to all the calls.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 9:13 pm to 3down10
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Why not?
I get what you are saying, but at the same time what is the big difference between a blown play without a blitz and a blown play with the blitz?
A 15 yard gain vs. 7 points.
Don't believe me, just ask Coach. He literally said it right there in the comments.
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“There was a lot of adjusting to do. The young players had a lot of problems adjusting to the quads and to the empty formation in the boundary, which we had worked on, but it was a lot for the linebackers. So, we had to stay pretty simple in terms of what we were doing, afraid that we would not do things correctly. So, when the field shrunk, we were able to get them stopped, and I think the players showed a lot of resiliency in doing that.”
When it became apparent that the LBs were having trouble with matching the defensive concepts to the formations in front of them, we went basic until we got into the red zone and were concentrating on stopping them there.
We knew we were giving up the dinks and dunks between the 20s by design to prevent the big chunk plays.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 9/16/19 at 6:51 am to DLev45
maybe Muschamp keeps tanking at SC and we grab him up as DC.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 7:06 am
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:21 am to Lucky_Stryke
We are back to this spread team dilemma again. Frankly, I'm still not convinced we had the right scheme last season with Moses and Wilson. 2 seasoned LBers on the Butkus preseason list, running all over the place trying to tackle in space.
I honestly don't care what personnel we run at these spread teams. If we don't get over their side of the line of scrimmage and put the fires of damnation type pressure on their QBs we are going to continue to watch teams walk the ball down into the red zone. Ask Jeremy Pruitt, he knows what I'm talking about.
I honestly don't care what personnel we run at these spread teams. If we don't get over their side of the line of scrimmage and put the fires of damnation type pressure on their QBs we are going to continue to watch teams walk the ball down into the red zone. Ask Jeremy Pruitt, he knows what I'm talking about.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 8:56 am to bamameister
Two things:
1- This defense is going to be a bend but don't break defense, whether we like it or not. We don't have the depth or experience to be a suffocating defense this year. If we can do what we did against USCe, which is give up a lot of yards, but not give up points--that's going to be a win for this defense against good teams.
2- Our offense needs to play in a way that protects our defense. Yes, we need to score lots of points, but we also need time consuming drives that keep our defense rested and not on the field for 80-90 plays each game. Not sure how we do that, maybe stop with hurry up stuff? Let the shot clock run more between each play? Does that mess our rhythm up?
1- This defense is going to be a bend but don't break defense, whether we like it or not. We don't have the depth or experience to be a suffocating defense this year. If we can do what we did against USCe, which is give up a lot of yards, but not give up points--that's going to be a win for this defense against good teams.
2- Our offense needs to play in a way that protects our defense. Yes, we need to score lots of points, but we also need time consuming drives that keep our defense rested and not on the field for 80-90 plays each game. Not sure how we do that, maybe stop with hurry up stuff? Let the shot clock run more between each play? Does that mess our rhythm up?
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:17 am to tider04
I think so. HUNH attempt to keep defenses off balance with tempo as much as play calling. IE making defenses adjust on the fly and not get correct calls in or make bad reads. Also with substitutions as well. Its truly a double edged sword for our offense being so prolific that its put more pressure on our D to be ready fast and be out there alot.
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:18 am to tider04
I think our offense is going slower and taking more time, but we're not going to tell guys to not take slants 80 yards to the house.
Part of the downside of bend but don't break is your defense is going to be on the field for a lot of plays. That's just part of it.
Part of the downside of bend but don't break is your defense is going to be on the field for a lot of plays. That's just part of it.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 9:24 am to tider04
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If we can do what we did against USCe, which is give up a lot of yards, but not give up points--that's going to be a win for this defense against good teams.
That worked against USCe because despite the inexperience, when the field was condensed the fact that we are bigger, faster, stronger, and more talented than they are across the board showed up. That will not be the case against LSU, Auburn, UGA, Ohio State, Oklahoma, or Clemson. The defense is going to have to get to a point where they can get stops between the 20s if we don't want to end up in a position where we have to average 45+ppg the 2nd half of the season to win a championship.
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2- Our offense needs to play in a way that protects our defense. Yes, we need to score lots of points, but we also need time consuming drives that keep our defense rested and not on the field for 80-90 plays each game. Not sure how we do that, maybe stop with hurry up stuff? Let the shot clock run more between each play? Does that mess our rhythm up?
We have taken hardly any downfield shots this season. There is no way to mitigate our receivers running 60 yards after the catch. You can't just tell them to fall down at the 5 so we can run 2 or 3 more plays. Our skill position talent is too explosive for us to have a ton of methodical drives. Those dude are all YAC monsters.
Posted on 9/16/19 at 10:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
Mismatches don't change much if we don't give the athletic freaks on this defense the tools to get the job done. If we put Tua in McElwain's offensive scheme, does he throw for 450 yards Saturday?
HUNH RPO spread teams hate pressure. It's one of the few things that actually stops the quick, one read throws and rushing pops through the LOS. Get them before they get you. You have to cross the LOS to get these guys off the field.
Terrell Lewis, Jennings, Allen look like walking, talking mismatches. Where are the exotics blitzes we terrorized teams with a few years ago? If we use Lewis's talent correctely he should be making Bama fans wonder who Tim Williams played for.
HUNH RPO spread teams hate pressure. It's one of the few things that actually stops the quick, one read throws and rushing pops through the LOS. Get them before they get you. You have to cross the LOS to get these guys off the field.
Terrell Lewis, Jennings, Allen look like walking, talking mismatches. Where are the exotics blitzes we terrorized teams with a few years ago? If we use Lewis's talent correctely he should be making Bama fans wonder who Tim Williams played for.
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