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Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:55 pm to East Coast Band
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ACC has won 3 out of the last 6 Football Championships with 2 different teams.
Or 3 of the last 18.
Meanwhile, the SEC has 10 of those.
... with four different teams.
Bama, UF, LSU and Auburn. In the same frame of time we've had 11 different teams finish in the Top Ten ... no other conference can come close claiming that except the B1G with 6.
Bama
Auburn
LSU
A&M
Miss State
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
South Carolina
Tennessee
Mizzou
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:55 pm to scrooster
My point about the 3 football championships in the last 6 years was to point out that the ACC has vastly improved in football in recent years. I'm not arguing that ACC football has matched the SEC in the last 10-20 years. I was responding to the comment that the ACC has consistently failed to even improve.
If you want to bring in the non revenue sports for comparison, I'll be happy to do so. The ACC has dominated in men's and women's soccer. Soccer is a much bigger and more popular sport than track and field and softball. UNC has won 21 women's soccer titles and feature 7 players currently playing in the World Cup. ACC dominates in lacrosse and many other sports. Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams.
UVA, UNC, Duke, BC and others feature 28 NCAA sports. Other than Florida, can any other SEC team compare in supporting that many teams? Of course not.
If you want to bring in the non revenue sports for comparison, I'll be happy to do so. The ACC has dominated in men's and women's soccer. Soccer is a much bigger and more popular sport than track and field and softball. UNC has won 21 women's soccer titles and feature 7 players currently playing in the World Cup. ACC dominates in lacrosse and many other sports. Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams.
UVA, UNC, Duke, BC and others feature 28 NCAA sports. Other than Florida, can any other SEC team compare in supporting that many teams? Of course not.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:08 pm to dlc83
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Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams
This year both had 5, but last year there were 7 SEC teams in the top 20, 4 for the ACC. The year before that it was 6 to 3 in favor of the SEC.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:09 pm to yatesdog38
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but what about Baseketball.
Womens basketball has been dominated by the SEC. ESPN recruiting for Uconn skewed that data but top to bottom the SEC has been tops in WBB since the 1980's. For basketball Final Fours is a solid base for conference depth and pretty much all the SEC teams have made at least 1.
While SEC men may not be the alpha they are certainly not the omega either!
MCBB Final Fours
17 Kentucky
6 Arkansas 9some were in the old SWC, but Natty in SEC)
5 Florida
4 LSU
1 Auburn
1 Georgia
1 Mississippi State
1 South Carolina
So over half the conference has at least 1 Final Four, how many other conferences can claim this?
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:39 pm to dlc83
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My point about the 3 football championships in the last 6 years was to point out that the ACC has vastly improved in football in recent years.
I will give credit where credit is due but consider the following.....
Before UNC vs Duke in basketball it was UNC vs NC State and it was Case who started Tobacco Road at NC State.
ACC lucked out when none of the old Big 3 wanted their rights (ABC / CBS / NBC) but a young upstart needed 24 / 7 content so bad they signed up the ACC. The upstart was ESPN and the ACC benefitted greatly from this.
Before UNC vs Duke the must see matchup every year from the 30's to the 80's was UK vs IU. Old Hoosier Dome was packed in an era where getting 10K to a game was a big deal.
Besides the luck of the ESPN deal the biggest gain for the ACC was the B1G and PAC messing up realignment advantages.
In the first round the B1G missed the boat by not getting Notre Dame with Penn State to go to 12 and a CCG. SEC took the lesser schools of Arkansas and South Carolina and got the SEC CCG. At least the ACC leadership was smart enough to use that to add some teams and stayed alive.
In the second round the B12 let itself get shaken by the B1G (getting Nebraska) and the PAC (getting Colorado) and both were smart enough to add CCG's. SEC was the biggest overall winner in realignment but I would say the ACC finished 2nd by taking the teams the B12 did not grab first (Boston College, Syracuse, and Louisville) but the big feather in their cap was landing Notre Dame an vastly improving their footprint and value.
Going into the last realignment the ACC and BE were DOA but yet here the ACC has not only survived but thrived.
Pre 2010 alignment (depth from top to bottom)
Power conferences = #1 SEC and #2 B12
Struggling conferences = B1G / PAC / ACC / BE
Post 2010 alignentt (depth from top to bottom)
Power conferences = #1 SEC and #2 ACC
Struggling conference = B12
Semi dead conferences = B1G and PAC (no depth past 1 or two teams)
In the modern world you need at least 1/2 dozen viable teams across the primary sports to fill airtime with viewable content. The SEC fills this in spades, while the ACC (including Notre Dame) has up their viewing content.
Going forward these seem to be the broadcast sports where at least 6 teams in a conference have to be good enough to fill the TV slots.
Football
M basketball
W basketball
Baseball
Softball
Gymnastics
Beneath that you have buildable audiences in
Soccer (M&W)
Lacrosse (M&W)
Hockey (in suitable markets)
After that the Natty's are nice but not high drivers to fill network content in either demand or space. Ie ESPN may show NCAA T&F but not much programming leading up to it.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:54 pm to RatRodDawg
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It's more than you thought...
Answer:
football = 15 times
basketball = 21 times
baseball = 14 times
That cannot be accurate. Do the math.
Last 25 years ....
By your numbers the SEC has only won 10 football championships.
.... 4 basketball championships.
.... 11 baseball championships in the past 25 years.
1994-2018?
Basketball is the one that stands out to me. Just off the top of my head I can think of six between Arkansas, Florida and Kentucky.
Baseball, let's think for a moment. 8 championships since 94 is it? LSU won two before 1994.
Football, 96 Florida, 98 Tennessee then what, ten more for a total of 14? 2 x LSU. 2 more for Florida. One for Auburn (and robbed of another). Five for Bama.
Your math is off friend.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:01 pm to dlc83
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My point about the 3 football championships in the last 6 years was to point out that the ACC has vastly improved in football in recent years. I'm not arguing that ACC football has matched the SEC in the last 10-20 years. I was responding to the comment that the ACC has consistently failed to even improve.
I get it but you're talking about two teams, one of which is now a dumpster fire in FSU. The ACC has one really good team in Clemson.
Conversely the SEC always has two or three really good teams with another half dozen that are capable of beating anyone on any given Saturday ... especially at home or on a neutral field.
The ACC has a long ways to go to becoming a solid top to bottom football conference.
#Nb4UVAbeatSC in Charlotte.
I do believe the ACC is endeavoring to get there but the ACC league office jumped the gun two summers ago having their coaches toe the talking points line that they had caught-up-to or surpassed the SEC in football.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:04 pm to scrooster
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Baseball, let's think for a moment. 8 championships since 94 is it? LSU won two before 1994.
Of the top of my head I was think if Vanderbilt takes this is would be an even dozen since 1990.
1 Georgia
6 LSU
2 South Carolina
1 Florida
1 Vanderbilt
Makes 11 up till 2019
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:07 pm to Cheese Grits
I don't think Vandy can win the next two Cheese. Michigan is a team of destiny this season it looks like to me but who knows.
I know I'll be watching.
I know I'll be watching.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:18 pm to Irons Puppet
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This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 5:03 pm to dlc83
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If you want to bring in the non revenue sports for comparison, I'll be happy to do so. The ACC has dominated in men's and women's soccer. Soccer is a much bigger and more popular sport than track and field and softball. UNC has won 21 women's soccer titles and feature 7 players currently playing in the World Cup. ACC dominates in lacrosse and many other sports. Check out the top 20 in the Director's cup each year and you will see numerous ACC teams.
I'm pretty sure that the SEC only has two men's soccer teams ... SC and Kentucky I think.
Women is just now cranking up much like men's basketball for the SEC but women's SEC soccer will be ultra competitive in this coming decade, if not dominant.
We don't do Lacrosse down here but we should. SC has had a club since our ACC days and just won the club championship this year.
UNC has carried the ACC pretty much in Directors Cup Standings for awhile now.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:30 pm to Cheese Grits
Surprised no one has mentioned men’s golf in this thread. SEC has had a pretty good run past 20 years with 7 NCs. Thought ACC would do well in the Country Club sports but not so much.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:41 pm to Irons Puppet
I had to re do my entire reply because my basketball years were off thereby making a few other parts wrong so let's try this again.
According to Wikipedia here are the following years this has happened ( starting with 1993 season)
1995- UCLA beat Arkansas 89-78 to win basketball natty LINK
Nebraska destroyed Florida 62-24 to win football natty LINK
Cal State Fullerton defeated USC 11-5 to win baseball natty LINK
1999- UCONN defeated Duke 77-74 to win basketball natty LINK
Nebraska defeated Tennessee 31-21 to win football natty LINK
Miami beat Florida St 6-5 to win baseball natty LINK
2001: Duke beat AZ 82-72 to win basketball natty LINK
Oregon defeated Colorado 38-16 to win football natty LINK
Miami blew out Stanford 12-1 to win baseball natty LINK
2002: Maryland beat Indiana 64-52 to win basketball natty LINK
Ohio State beat Miami 31-24 to win football natty LINK
Texas defeated South Carolina 12-6 to win baseball natty LINK
2004: UCONN defeated GT 82-73 to win basketball natty LINK
USC destroyed Oklahoma 55-19 to win football natty ( later vacated) LINK
Cal State Fullerton defeated Texas 6-4 in game 1 and 3-2 in game 2 to win baseball natty. LINK
2005: UNC beat Illinois 75-70 to win basketball natty LINK
Texas defeated USC 41-38 to win football natty LINK
Texas defeated Florida 4-2 in game 1 and 6-2 in game 2 to win baseball natty LINK
2013: Louisville beat Michigan 82-76 to win basketball natty ( later vacated) LINK
Florida St beat Auburn 34-31 to win football natty LINK
UCLA swept Mississippi State to win baseball natty LINK
UCLA won game 1 3-1 and game 2 8-0
2016: Clemson defeated Alabama 35-31 to win football natty LINK
Villanova defeated UNC 77-74 to win basketball natty LINK
Coastal Carolina beat Arizona 5-4 in game 2 and 4-3 in game 3 to win baseball natty LINK
According to Wikipedia here are the following years this has happened ( starting with 1993 season)
1995- UCLA beat Arkansas 89-78 to win basketball natty LINK
Nebraska destroyed Florida 62-24 to win football natty LINK
Cal State Fullerton defeated USC 11-5 to win baseball natty LINK
1999- UCONN defeated Duke 77-74 to win basketball natty LINK
Nebraska defeated Tennessee 31-21 to win football natty LINK
Miami beat Florida St 6-5 to win baseball natty LINK
2001: Duke beat AZ 82-72 to win basketball natty LINK
Oregon defeated Colorado 38-16 to win football natty LINK
Miami blew out Stanford 12-1 to win baseball natty LINK
2002: Maryland beat Indiana 64-52 to win basketball natty LINK
Ohio State beat Miami 31-24 to win football natty LINK
Texas defeated South Carolina 12-6 to win baseball natty LINK
2004: UCONN defeated GT 82-73 to win basketball natty LINK
USC destroyed Oklahoma 55-19 to win football natty ( later vacated) LINK
Cal State Fullerton defeated Texas 6-4 in game 1 and 3-2 in game 2 to win baseball natty. LINK
2005: UNC beat Illinois 75-70 to win basketball natty LINK
Texas defeated USC 41-38 to win football natty LINK
Texas defeated Florida 4-2 in game 1 and 6-2 in game 2 to win baseball natty LINK
2013: Louisville beat Michigan 82-76 to win basketball natty ( later vacated) LINK
Florida St beat Auburn 34-31 to win football natty LINK
UCLA swept Mississippi State to win baseball natty LINK
UCLA won game 1 3-1 and game 2 8-0
2016: Clemson defeated Alabama 35-31 to win football natty LINK
Villanova defeated UNC 77-74 to win basketball natty LINK
Coastal Carolina beat Arizona 5-4 in game 2 and 4-3 in game 3 to win baseball natty LINK
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 4:28 am
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:53 pm to scrooster
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Here's one for you ACC fan ... Show us a year when the ACC won national championships in all three major men's sports. I'll wait. When you grow tired of looking ... maybe you'll want to try years when either conference won just two of the three major men's sports?
Thanks for waiting ... how about 2016. Clemson (football) UNC (Basketball) Coastal Carolina (baseball) ... Little known fact that CCarolina is an associate member of the ACC in baseball.
2018 Clemson (football) UVA (basketball)...had a chance for the trifecta in Baseball but Louisville imploded.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:42 pm to AUFan2015
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2001- Miami beat Nebraska 37-14 to win the football natty LINK
Miami beat Stanford 12-1 to win baseball natty LINK
Maryland beat Indiana 64-52 to win the basketball natty LINK
Correct me if I was wrong but were all three of those ACC teams in 2001? Wait, Miami did not join until 2004.
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2011- Alabama beat LSU 21-0 to win football natty LINK
South Carolina beat Florida 2-1 in game 1 and 5-2 in game 2 to win baseball natty LINK
Kentucky beat Kansas 67-59 to win basketball natty LINK
So the SEC swept all three in 2011. (*A&M also won the Women's Basketball national championship.)
You are forgetting 1996. The SEC swept all three plus Tennessee also won the Women's Basketball national championship.
LSU won baseball.
Florida won football.
Kentucky won basketball
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:47 pm to scrooster
I didn't forget 1996
AZ won the basketball natty not Kentucky LINK
I wasn't counting women's sports OP asked about the Big 3 which is football, men's baseball and basketball
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1996- LSU beat Miami 9-8 to win baseball natty
Florida beat Florida St 52-20 to win football natty
AZ won the basketball natty not Kentucky LINK
I wasn't counting women's sports OP asked about the Big 3 which is football, men's baseball and basketball
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:48 pm to ClemsonRules
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Thanks for waiting ... how about 2016. Clemson (football) UNC (Basketball) Coastal Carolina (baseball) ... Little known fact that CCarolina is an associate member of the ACC in baseball.
Read my entry about the Coastal championship on the CWS wiki page. It's down at the bottom, by conference.
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