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re: Why do college football/basketball players feel they are so deserving to be paid?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:49 pm to craigbiggio
Posted on 3/14/18 at 12:49 pm to craigbiggio
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They're the biggest contributors to the universities being able to rake in millions of dollars
The universities would still make millions off of a bunch of kids who are 2 inches shorter and run slightly slower 40 times but actually WANT to be there and don't feel that they're owed anything for playing a sport.
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Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:00 pm to Cheese Grits
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If I had control of the NCAA this is what I would do #1 Require kids to stay at least 3 years or no college at all
This would require the school’s to sign three year scholarships, something the schools don’t want to do. It would also be illegal as hell. If schools don’t wish to become employers they can’t require a student-athlete to stick around for any period of time. They are more than welcome to, however, if they decide to pay players and players agree to three year contracts. Baseball players may stick around three years if they take a scholarship but they aren’t required to either by NCAA or MLB rules. Because again, that would be illegal.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:02 pm to craigbiggio
The players ARE being paid...........and if you dont think they are..........you arent paying attention.
Tell me why a kid like Rueben Foster with an Auburn tattoo.........just suddenly switches at the last minute to sign with Bama................unless he got a bucket full of money!!
And ALL the schools are doing it.
Tell me why a kid like Rueben Foster with an Auburn tattoo.........just suddenly switches at the last minute to sign with Bama................unless he got a bucket full of money!!
And ALL the schools are doing it.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:03 pm to GenesChin
The university has made a lot of money off Cam while putting him in a place with no bargaining power to get a larger share
Entering Auburn University was voluntary, correct? Cam wasn’t court ordered or otherwise dragooned into going there, was he? If Cam didn’t like the deal, then he could have gotten a job like everybody else.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:10 pm to CaptainPanic
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And to say the university makes billions off of them is laughable. Most athletic programs don’t turn a profit.
This is misleading as hell. At least as it pertains to power 5 athletics departments. These departments are giant machines churning out job after job for adults who are for the most part, and unlike athletes, bringing zero income into the equation. They are also building facility after facility with value well beyond athletics both in use of facilities and again major economic incentives to the community at large. As for the shortfalls in budgets who do AD’s look to to make up the difference? Other students and donors. At no point does the school spend a dime of its own money on these vast sports kingdoms largely created off the backs of student-athletes.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:18 pm to TDcline
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all the vag they can handle
The root of this issue. No doubt that it's mostly minorities getting white vag furthers OPs dislike even more.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:21 pm to CaptainPanic
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Most athletic programs don’t turn a profit.
Athletic departments are registered non profit entities. There is absolutely no incentive for athletic departments to turn a profit. That is why athletic department expenses have skyrocketed with increased revenues
If Auburn athletics was trying to turn a profit, they wouldn't have built that stupid new jumbotron
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You think the player would get the same national recognition if he went to a no-name school? He wouldn’t.
You think Michael Jordan would have gotten national recognition playing in the parks of Charlotte instead of going to UNC/NBA?
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By that mindset, you should be hoping for a semi-pro league and not expect kids to get a college degree.
That's what we have right now. God knows that UNC basketball players aren't earning those degrees through academic coursework
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:22 pm to Cheese Grits
Cheese Grits for NCAA Commissioner!
I would add/increase the stipend/emergency allowance that is already in place. This plus the Pell Grant would go a long way to eliminating any hardship.
I would add/increase the stipend/emergency allowance that is already in place. This plus the Pell Grant would go a long way to eliminating any hardship.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:29 pm to Paul B Ammer
I have no problem with amateur athletics.
I just don't think a system can be considered amateurism when coaches are paid $7mil/yr, kids get paid in kind through athletic scholarships/housing, the emphasis is not on being a student first and kids are required to spend absurd time practicing/traveling
College sports is now run like a business and that can't fit into a supposed amateur athletic system
I just don't think a system can be considered amateurism when coaches are paid $7mil/yr, kids get paid in kind through athletic scholarships/housing, the emphasis is not on being a student first and kids are required to spend absurd time practicing/traveling
College sports is now run like a business and that can't fit into a supposed amateur athletic system
Posted on 3/14/18 at 1:54 pm to TDcline
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If we're talking about just a bunch of dudes going to toss a football to one another in a random field somewhere where people are paying hundreds of dollars to go see it, then absolutely they can keep all they money they want... Not when they have the university/NCAAF branding behind them.
Why not? The university is already making their money off of them. Why can't a student athlete make some money off of autographs if someone wants to pay for it?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:00 pm to Paul B Ammer
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I would add/increase the stipend/emergency allowance that is already in place. This plus the Pell Grant would go a long way to eliminating any hardship.
I would increase the COA stipend to a flat 10k...none of these BS calculations that each schoold makes.
I would also eliminate ALL Pell Grants for athletes...no way federal tax dollars should be subsidizing P5 schools briNing in millions in revenue.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:03 pm to RD Dawg
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I would increase the COA stipend to a flat 10k...none of these BS calculations that each schoold makes.
I think 10K is too high and too many athletic programs can't afford that.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:08 pm to GenesChin
Well for one, the coach has usually proved himself worthy of a big contract. Of course with each new year, it goes up.
These kids havent done shite. Most of them likely wouldnt even get a job, with high enough pay, to even pay for their tuition and fees.
They get huge exposure. Lets talk about how much it costs regular companies to advertise. These kids are all over. I dont know Bob that works in Marketing for Budlight, but Ill know my 3rd string QB and where he is from.
Most of the ones demanding money would spend it on ridiculous shite as well. Im still shocked at how these kids can afford the ink they have on their bodies.
If they get money, they should still keep the rules about No representation. If they are man enough to demand the money, they can keep track of it themselves. When its gone, its gone. Plus it would keep those influencers out of the picture (like how it is supposed to be)
Also, if these kids want this, they should implement a zero tolerance policy and if they frick up once, they are done. There are many that would be there to replace and would love the opportunity.
These kids havent done shite. Most of them likely wouldnt even get a job, with high enough pay, to even pay for their tuition and fees.
They get huge exposure. Lets talk about how much it costs regular companies to advertise. These kids are all over. I dont know Bob that works in Marketing for Budlight, but Ill know my 3rd string QB and where he is from.
Most of the ones demanding money would spend it on ridiculous shite as well. Im still shocked at how these kids can afford the ink they have on their bodies.
If they get money, they should still keep the rules about No representation. If they are man enough to demand the money, they can keep track of it themselves. When its gone, its gone. Plus it would keep those influencers out of the picture (like how it is supposed to be)
Also, if these kids want this, they should implement a zero tolerance policy and if they frick up once, they are done. There are many that would be there to replace and would love the opportunity.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:18 pm to HTDawg
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I think 10K is too high and too many athletic programs can't afford that.
BS...most P5 schools are around the 4 to 5k mark for COA stipends so you would just be adding another 5k.
Like I posted earlier CFB TV money has almost TRIPLED the last 17 years and the CFB playoff payout is almost double since '12...up to $548 million.Not to mention TV money from basketball.Revenue is pouring into P5 schools and they're spending it like drunken sailors.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:18 pm to momentoftruth87
All of the things you're saying about college athletes have never been an issue in any other place of employment in America. Why is it anybody's business what they spend money on? Where else do you 'frick up once' and you're done?
I agree that we can't just snap a finger and start paying these kids a full salary or whatever other simple solution people are proposing. There are too many factors. But in what other industry in this country do people say things like 'they get enough already' or 'theyre just going to waste the money anyway'?
The fact is that they help generate a lot of revenue and they're not getting anywhere near a fair share of the profits. I can't think of another situation like that anywhere in America. Would you work for room and board and a stipend knowing full well that your employer is making a buttload of money off of your efforts?
I agree that we can't just snap a finger and start paying these kids a full salary or whatever other simple solution people are proposing. There are too many factors. But in what other industry in this country do people say things like 'they get enough already' or 'theyre just going to waste the money anyway'?
The fact is that they help generate a lot of revenue and they're not getting anywhere near a fair share of the profits. I can't think of another situation like that anywhere in America. Would you work for room and board and a stipend knowing full well that your employer is making a buttload of money off of your efforts?
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:27 pm to ChiTownBammer
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Where else do you 'frick up once' and you're done?
Ask 18-22 year olds in the military. A DUI will get you kicked out of the military in a heartbeat now days.
People do get fired from their jobs for getting arrested. These kids are representatives of the university as a student athlete.
How about drug testing? Most of these kids go to tax payer funded universities. No one bitches about that, but ppl get pissed if welfare isnt drug tested.
They get their fair share and then more. You're ignorant if you dont think they are well taken care of.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:27 pm to GenesChin
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College sports is now run like a business and that can't fit into a supposed amateur athletic system
Yep.
The problem at the root of everything is that colleges really have no business running what are effectively minor league sports franchises and many of the "student-athletes" have no business or interest in going to college.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:28 pm to momentoftruth87
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Well for one, the coach has usually proved himself worthy of a big contract
You really think Gus is worth the $47 million?Or Aranada $2.2 million at LSU?How many SEC schools are on the hook for buyouts?You talk about only giving kids
"One chance" if they "screw up"...what about schools who "screw up" when they make bad hires?Much more costly than an athlete screwing up.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:32 pm to momentoftruth87
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How about drug testing? Most of these kids go to tax payer funded universities. No one bitches about that
Why do you care if a player smokes weed at home after the game.
Posted on 3/14/18 at 2:33 pm to RD Dawg
They are established as professionals.
Most coaches do get shite canned if they get in trouble.
Always talks about coaches boosing or unethical shite.
Most coaches do get shite canned if they get in trouble.
Always talks about coaches boosing or unethical shite.
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